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BOM-Drinking water engineering 2012, BOM150

Status: Avslutad
Öppen för svar: 2013-01-18 - 2013-02-04
Antal svar: 26
Procent av deltagarna som svarat: 36%
Kontaktperson: Björn Engström»
Utbildningsprogram som genomför enkäten: Väg- och vattenbyggnad 300 hp

Learning outcomes and examination

Before you answer these questions, please check in the course syllabus what is stated about learning outcomes of the course.

1. Are the goals reasonable considering your background and the number of credits?

26 svarande

No, the goals are set too low»2 7%
Yes, the goals seem reasonable»24 92%
No, the goals are set too high»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 1.92

- In the UK I have studied a similar topic and so I knew a lot of the material already. I think as the course is mainly for Swedish students, it is probably good based on what they have learnt already.» (No, the goals are set too low)
- The goals should be set higher, due to the knowledge alredy obtained in the "Hydrologi" course in V2. » (No, the goals are set too low)
- There is no course syllabus. Just a short introduction power point» (Yes, the goals seem reasonable)
- After taking only that lecture I don"t feel capable of working in that field, but the lecture was an interesting global overview. Consequently, the goals stated in the learning outcomes are reached.» (Yes, the goals seem reasonable)

2. To what extent have you reached the learning outcomes?

26 svarande

0-20%»0 0%
20-40%»0 0%
40-60%»3 11%
60-80%»11 42%
80-100%»12 46%

Genomsnitt: 4.34

- The chemistry part lacks connection to the rest of this whole program - therefore I think it should be better connected with the rest or be left out» (40-60%)
- Water treatment.» (60-80%)
- Focus more on building new knowledge, instead of repeate old. » (80-100%)
- The chemical calculation » (80-100%)

3. Did the examination assess whether you have reached the goals?

Please consider all kinds of examiantions during the course: assignments, projects, seminars, final written exam, etc.

26 svarande

No, not at all»0 0%
To some extent»4 15%
Yes, definitely»20 76%
I don"t know/have not been examined yet»2 7%

Genomsnitt: 2.92

- The exam was very selective on what knowledge it inspected. Shorter questions on more subject shoul be better. The questions should also be designed from the knowledge obtained during the course, the chemistry part was way ro difficult as an example. » (To some extent)
- The points on the calculation part of the examination were not distributed in a good way. The chemistry part has generally been large on exams, even though this years was quite a bit too much, so 10 points for that question and 7+8 would have be more adequate.» (To some extent)
- Tyckte att fråga två på räknedelen var onödigt stor. Hade räckt med sommar eller bara vinter tilllsammans tog de bara för lång tid. Testade ju samma sak» (Yes, definitely)
- Water treatment.» (Yes, definitely)
- The chemistry exam question was rediciously long. What knowledge did that test? That we can do everything twice? I think everyone agrees on that who took the course.» (Yes, definitely)

Teaching and learning

4. To what extent has the organised teaching activities been of help for your learning?

26 svarande

Small extent»3 11%
Some extent»5 19%
Large extent»13 50%
Great extent»5 19%

Genomsnitt: 2.76

- Because much of the knowledge already has been obtained, the largest part of the learning came from repetition. » (Small extent)
- Very little information very late. Very badly coordinated course. For example: where is the course coordinator?» (Some extent)
- I am used to having more exercise classes. » (Large extent)

5. To what extent has the teaching material and the course home page been of help for your learning?

26 svarande

Small extent»2 7%
Some extent»9 34%
Large extent»9 34%
Great extent»6 23%

Genomsnitt: 2.73

- Why not use ping pong? Important information posted on studentportal very late - people missed out since they dont get notification. Send email instead if it is the "evening before"-information» (Some extent)
- I did not like the kompendium, several parts was not connected to the course. If its possible I think it would be a good idea to write a compendium. » (Some extent)
- why not use a homepage sectritary» (Some extent)

6. How were the opportunities to get feedback and for asking questions and getting help from teachers and supervisors?

26 svarande

Very poor»3 11%
Rather poor»3 11%
Rather good»14 53%
Very good»6 23%

Genomsnitt: 2.88

- Kursansvarig var bortrest eller frånvarande 80%av kursen» (Very poor)
- Still no feedback, didn"t even get the marks from the exam - just the grade!!!! No feedback on any of the other projects which is very dissapointing!» (Very poor)
- I is not acceptebal that the teatcher is not reachnebla (kontaktbar) under two weeks, and not inform the student and give the information about they can ask insted. In the real working-wolrd this would be unacceptable,» (Very poor)
- The head teacher was often away and therefore not available.» (Rather good)
- Teacher were always ready to answer questions during the lectures, but I think that regular exercise classes would help questions to emerge and enable shyer students to ask questions. Indeed, during the computer classes, personal advices were given. But for the learning outcomes which are not included in the projects, I think that more possibilities to ask questions could be beneficial» (Rather good)

Course organisation

7. How well did the course organisation, course information, course home page, handouts etc work?

26 svarande

Very badly»2 7%
Rather badly»8 30%
Rather well»11 42%
Very well»5 19%

Genomsnitt: 2.73

- We got information late regarding projects - having to reverse some of it. Very (none?) respect for students time and planning. For example the schedule was not finished until the day before the course started. then it was reversed a couple of times...» (Very badly)
- Ping-pong did not work so we used the old student portal which was a bit annoying. » (Rather badly)
- In the project part, needed material should have been available earlier (we spent many project hours just waiting for the parameters that we needed).» (Rather well)
- In this course we regularly had some bibliographic research to do. This was often experienced as a loss of time. It"s always easier when the work to do is given step by step. Learning to be independent and to take initiatives is obviously crucial for our education. However, I don"t get why, but in this course the research we had to do was experienced by many people as a loss of time, unlike in other course where this kind of work is required as a separate project.» (Rather well)

Study climate

8. To what extent have the facilties at Chalmers been appropriate to support your studies in this course, e.g. lecture halls, study rooms, equipment, computer labs etc.

26 svarande

Small extent»7 26%
Some extent»12 46%
Large extent»4 15%
Great extent»3 11%

Genomsnitt: 2.11

- Use more computer rooms in the future.» (Small extent)
- Too much people in the same computer room!!!» (Small extent)
- För få datarum/datorer för antal elever» (Small extent)
- Bad excuses for only booking one computer room (at all times), just changing it a few times after us pointing out free rooms. Said it was very many this year and no free room. Then we heard from several old students that they did exactly the same thing last year. We were about 75 pp in a max 55pp room. Not ok!» (Small extent)
- When we squeezed 70 people in one computer room on level 1 (which everyone knows has the worst air quality), that was NOT my idea of good study climate. It was hot and you couldn"t see everything on the board. Try to always have 2 rooms for the next course. » (Small extent)
- To many people in small computer rooms for some group work assignments. Very crowded.» (Small extent)
- It is not accaptable to force student to have a lecture in a clas room that only can take 50 person (regarding fire safty) when the number of student is 70. If it is only one teacher, why not let her/him to teach twise.» (Small extent)
- Computer exercises were always difficult as there was not enough room in the computer rooms.» (Some extent)
- Make sure that there is enough computer labs booked next year, please. This was far too crowded.» (Some extent)
- The computer labs had to many people in one room.» (Some extent)
- As always crowded at the V-building. Difficult to find study rooms and computers. Bad ventilation in some lecture halls. » (Some extent)
- För få datorer» (Some extent)
- The computer exercises are very important. It was good when we had two computer labs (since we were too many for only one room ... )» (Large extent)
- Only once the computer room was really too crowded. Generally, it was ok. » (Great extent)

9. How much of your available time for studies in this study period did you spend on this course?

It is assumed that 50% of the time in one quarter is used for a course of 7,5 credit units.

26 svarande

less than 20%»0 0%
20-40%»1 3%
about 50%»14 53%
60-80%»10 38%
more than 80%»1 3%

Genomsnitt: 3.42

- I spent more on this course than on the modeling-course. Both went well in the end. In DWE it was more obvious what you could to (read literature and so on), so I did that. Also because I found DWE a bit more interesting than the other one.» (60-80%)
- Since I"m doing my second year at the msc-program, I had to quit my other course this study period as they were in the same block, and every single lecture collided. The block schedules might be good if it works, but it is not unusual that students choose courses from different years, and than its hopeless. » (60-80%)

10. How was the course workload?

26 svarande

Too low»0 0%
Low»0 0%
Adequate»20 76%
High»5 19%
Too high»1 3%

Genomsnitt: 3.26

- Fakta kom ut för sent» (High)
- High but adequate! Not more, please. » (High)
- The projects required a lot of time, which is not intrinsically a bad thing, but more time should be given between the last project and the exam.» (High)
- 3 reports are too many!» (Too high)

Summarising questions

11. What is your general impression of the course?

25 svarande

Poor»2 8%
Fair»4 16%
Adequate»7 28%
Good»11 44%
Excellent»1 4%

Genomsnitt: 3.2

- It is poor due to the fact that much information had already been learned. » (Poor)
- Ja, vi som har läst på chalmers tidigare hade ju mer eller mindre redan läst denna kursen... som en enda repetition av saker som vi gjort tidigare. Knappt något nytt. Hur kan det vara en fördjupningskurs på masternivå när mycket är exakt lika som tidigare kurser?» (Adequate)
- This course was more interesting than I thought, but since it is not in my area of interest and not something I will have use for in my line of work, I felt it was unnecessary for me to be obliged to take it. » (Adequate)
- I was personally a bit disappointed because I realized that water treatment is not what I want to do. This not a bad thing since the aim of taking that course was exactly a way to know if I want to work in that field. But the course was really interesting, and as a student in process engineering, I like when several sciences are required (i.e chemistry, fluid mechanics, microbiology, process).» (Adequate)
- I would have ticked "excellent" if the administration of the project work had ran more smoothly. The negative things were: *some parameters crucial for the calculations - and thereby the result writing - were given very late. I"m speaking about the different steps at the treatment plants. *one exercise had a problem with not functioning software (EPANET-exercise, the first one). *Some of the "exercise-leaders" in the EPANET exercise could not help with very much I am afraid ... only one of them knew how to do and what to do (he was very good!). » (Good)

12. What is the remaining value of the course in the future

25 svarande

Very small»3 12%
Rather small»3 12%
Neutral»8 32%
Rahter high»8 32%
Very high»3 12%

Genomsnitt: 3.2

- I don"t currently plan to work in the field of water. But as general culture, this course brought me a lot. » (Neutral)
- I think the value is high if you want to continue to study water-related issues, but that it"s still quite high if you want to study for example geotechnics and roads only. This is because the activities might influence water resources and it"s good to have an understanding about that.» (Rahter high)

13. What should definitely be preserved to next year?

- Project 2 and 3.»
- Study trip to water treatment plant»
- The study visit to the water treatment plant»
- the projects. but with appropriate UPDATED projet pm.»
- The course is well organized and desevess to be preserved.»
- Assigments»
- The group project was very good, especially part 2. »
- Everything»
- The projects. »
- Lab, projects. »
- trip to Torllatan»
- The study trip was really interesting and it did not matter that it was far away from Chalmers. »
- The computer exercises (if they are anything like real work)»
- The preparation for the lap given in class was really useful»

14. What should definitely be changed to next year?

- Better administration to prevent overfull computer rooms. Less reports.»
- Project 1.»
- Organisation of computer facilities»
- A better communication between teachers»
- the coordination of the course. the overall attitude.»
- Maybe change the oral presentation for project 1, only two days after the course start is a bit much to ask, you could not prepare as you had hoped. And if it is possible, it would be much more fun to listen to a bigger variety of projects than only the same as I did since I did. I had Lilla Edet and listened to 3 different presentations exkl my own. »
- Give input parameters to the project work earlier.»
- The projects should give credits. That everybody in the groups must present each project does"t make any sense! A simpel paper wher the teacher who are responsible for the presentation puts a mark on which people have presented, makes it possible for four people to present each time, but evertbody needs to present twise. An opposition whitout having a chanse to read through the other groups report should not be used! To say that it is a very important part and then make us come up with questions during the presentation does"t make ANY sense!!»
- Why was the bus trip only to Trollhättan? I understand that it is easier to make it work with just one of the wtps, but if we are studying 3 different wtps and the group has to be divided into two parts for space issues - why not at least go to two plants so that more find it relevant?»
- Don"t change the schedule so late. Students makes planes to. »
- The study visit to Trollhättan was a three-hour trip for a one-hour visit, which didn"t really give me anything new as I"ve had an extensive tour of Lackarebäck in previous courses. Keep the study visit but let it be voluntary. »
- the pipeline network is very little addressed. How to place pipeline, the principle of placing it should be more mentioned.»
- Divide the class into two smaller groups when working in the computer rooms. Install the software used in assignments in more computer rooms so you can easily work on your assignment in any computer room in the V building. Use email to distribute information to the students instead of posting information on the coarse homepage, or do both. »
- i dont know»
- smaller groups for the projects»

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