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TKITE 1213-2 Testing, debugging and verification, TDA566

Status: Avslutad
Öppen för svar: 2012-12-20 - 2013-02-03
Antal svar: 24
Procent av deltagarna som svarat: 42%
Kontaktperson: Börje Johansson»
Utbildningsprogram som genomför enkäten: Informationsteknik 300 hp

Your own effort

1. How many hours per week did you spend on this course?

We mean total time, that is, it comprises the time you spent in class and the time you spent on your own work. Try to estimate the average time over the entire study period.

24 svarande

At most 15 hours/week»11 45%
Around 20 hours/week»8 33%
Around 25 hours/week»3 12%
Around 30 hours/week»2 8%
At least 35 hours/week»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 1.83

- Did it for the second time, to get the assignments done. Therefore the low amount of time spent.» (At most 15 hours/week)
- I spent time at lectures and laborations. Mainly the last lab took time.» (Around 20 hours/week)
- Mostly with the labs.» (Around 25 hours/week)

2. How large part of the teaching offered did you attend?

24 svarande

0%»1 4%
25%»1 4%
50%»3 12%
75%»9 37%
100%»10 41%

Genomsnitt: 4.08

- I took the course last year but was away all of November so was unable to the the assignments then. Registered this year just in order to do the assignments.» (0%)
- Skipped most of the exercise sessions. Pace was too slow.» (50%)
- Closer to 100 than 75 but stop going to exercises in the end. » (75%)
- Did not attend (or left halfway through) the tutorials as I do not respond well to Gabrielle"s way of teaching. Nothing personal, just didn"t work for me.» (75%)
- Only one exercise session, but almost all lectures.» (75%)
- I thought it was good.. The class was bad at answering questions, not engaged enough. One of my lecturers that I liked went around the room each lecture asking each and every person in order. Might not work every time, but it might be worth a try. » (100%)

Goals and goal fulfilment

The course syllabus states the course goals in terms of learning outcomes, i.e., knowledge, skills and attitudes to be acquired by the student during the course.

3. How understandable are the course goals?

24 svarande

The goals are difficult to understand»2 10%
The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer»6 31%
The goals clearly describe what I am supposed to learn»11 57%
I have not seen/read the goals»5

Genomsnitt: 2.47

4. Are the goals reasonable considering your background and the number of credits?

Answer this this question and the succeeding one, only if you do know the course goals.

19 svarande

No, the goals are set too low»0 0%
Yes, the goals seem reasonable»19 100%
No, the goals are set too high»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2

5. Did the examination assess whether you have reached the goals?

21 svarande

No, not at all»0 0%
To some extent»5 27%
Yes, definitely»13 72%
I don"t know/have not been examined yet»3

Genomsnitt: 2.72

Teaching and course administration

6. How helpful has the lectures been for your learning?

24 svarande

Small extent»6 25%
Some extent»7 29%
Large extent»7 29%
Great extent»4 16%

Genomsnitt: 2.37

- Most knowledge have I gathered through the course litterature and Internet. About the lectures: it was really hard to follow them due to the fact that the lecturer moved forward and backwards a lot, like she wasnät sure what was comming or what she had said. Like she had received the power point the last night... » (Small extent)
- Due to double scheduling I could not attend all.» (Small extent)
- The demonstrations were very helpful and most of the slides, however sometimes we skipped over important information, and other times we spent too much time on small details.» (Some extent)
- Please publish slides ahead of time.» (Some extent)
- Looking back at the slides from lectures have the the best resource for this course» (Large extent)
- Especially the demos. The enthusiasm of the lecturer greatly helped.» (Great extent)

7. How helpful has the exercise sessions been for your learning?

24 svarande

Small extent»19 79%
Some extent»3 12%
Large extent»2 8%
Great extent»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 1.29

- Nothing! Useless sessions, the last one before the exam the teacher goes through ONE example for 1.5 hours which he says that he do not even understand and it takes soooo long time. He says that he is not really prepared which is beutiful when you want him to talk about the exam and maybe take some more examples instead of one... The other ones has been bad as well just sitting there and looking when he does things, what is the point? » (Small extent)
- The exercises where pretty bad. A uninspired teacher that was unprepared for the tasks. I went to all exercises, but I would didnt go there again. » (Small extent)
- Only been looking at solutions after the exercises.» (Small extent)
- Did not attend many sessions. Too slow.» (Small extent)
- They didn"t work for me.. Went in one way and out the other, also some of the content of the course was stuff I feel no need to learn.» (Small extent)
- A new teacher should be found for the exercise sessions.» (Small extent)
- It was too bad and kinda waste of time being in these sessions. Most of the time, the teaching assistant just showed the answers directly with very little of giving instruction on how one should think when solving each question in the exercises. Hence, it makes almost no difference between being in the exercise sessions and reading the answers on the homepage» (Small extent)
- Lack of effort from the exercise teacher» (Small extent)
- Not really well explained.» (Some extent)
- Good exercises, but sketchy answers and focus on the more trivial things.» (Some extent)

8. How helpful has the hand-in lab assignments been for your learning?

24 svarande

Small extent»1 4%
Some extent»4 16%
Large extent»8 33%
Great extent»11 45%

Genomsnitt: 3.2

- No feedback from lab supervisor for the assignment » (Small extent)
- Took up way too much time for what was learned, actual lab sessions would probably have helped this.» (Some extent)
- It had been really good to have some labsession with the labteacher, to get feedback and ask questions. I think we would have got more out of the labs if we had labsessions.» (Some extent)
- Only part I participated in this year. » (Large extent)
- Good assignments, but why not add an assignment on debugging and cut down the last one a little bit? And move the deadline back a couple of days so it is not sooo damn close to the exam? Received feedback one day before the exam... Stress... » (Great extent)
- I learned so much from the labs! I wish that the feedback could have been more detailed/expansive though.» (Great extent)
- Learnt most of the theory of the course/hard facts. The lectures helpt me mostly with the why we are doing this.» (Great extent)

9. Some lectures has included interactive elements such as quizzes and discussion questions. Would you prefer to have

24 svarande

More interaction in lectures»3 12%
About right as it is»11 45%
No interaction in lectures»10 41%

Genomsnitt: 2.29

- I think it is a good way of learning.. but the class also has to want to answer the questions.» (More interaction in lectures)
- The randomness of the quiz moment brings an element of mandatoryness to the lectures, which is bad. » (About right as it is)
- The quizzes are helpful, but I didn"t think the discussion questions gave much benefit.» (About right as it is)
- It would have been good if the answer to the quizzes was in the lectures slides. I think some quizzes didnt have the answers on the slides that was available for downloading. Yes ok the answer is revealed during the lecture, but it would be good to have it available later in the course (like when you study for the exam).» (About right as it is)
- I like interaction» (About right as it is)
- It"s a waste of time. Doesn"t help the learning at all (at least for me and those I spoke to about it). Having 10 minute discussions I feel it not worthwhile.» (No interaction in lectures)

10. To what extent has the course literature and other material been of help for your learning?

24 svarande

Small extent»13 54%
Some extent»5 20%
Large extent»4 16%
Great extent»2 8%

Genomsnitt: 1.79

- Course litterature was looked at but never of any help.» (Small extent)
- It would actually be better to have at least one actual book you could purchase as reference rather than 4 books you may download. As it was I used even google more than course books.» (Small extent)
- didn"t use any of it.» (Small extent)
- To many e-books (about 5), the same as the slides» (Small extent)
- Good course litterature, but there must be more information out there on formal verification. felt like the lectures was to no help and same thing with the litterature.. » (Great extent)

11. How well did the course administration, web page, handouts etc work?

24 svarande

Very badly»0 0%
Rather badly»5 20%
Rather well»10 41%
Very well»9 37%

Genomsnitt: 3.16

- Would be really nice to have exercises and labs and lecture slides put up on page earlier.» (Rather badly)
- Please publish slides before the lecture. It doesn"t matter if they are 100% accurate (say, last years), as long as one has something to look at beforehand. Exercises were published very late at times - at one time even after the actual session. Labs were decent. It was unclear during the JML lab whether or not we were done. Since we couldn"t actually test the specification in any way (apart from the syntax). The only way to really find out was to submit.» (Rather badly)
- Why excersices could not be posted earlier I can notunderstand tough.. And why not post all the labs earlier as well.. » (Rather well)
- It"d be great if slides were uploaded before the lectures, apart from that everything was great.» (Rather well)
- Apart from that slides was always put up after lectures, which makes it harder to study from home.» (Rather well)
- Course administration, web page and handouts worked perfectly. Then the correction of the lab assignments was very bad, it was too slow (but that depended on who the grader was).» (Very well)

Study climate

12. How were the opportunities for asking questions and getting help?

23 svarande

Very poor»3 30%
Rather poor»1 10%
Rather good»5 50%
Very good»1 10%
I did not seek help»13

Genomsnitt: 2.4

- No slots in the schedule for labs? 2 hours one day a week when one techer has office hours, come on?!» (Very poor)
- A couple of hours one day a week to go ask questions in an office is not enough. A lab-session with active help would be much better. Furthermore these hours was changed to the day after the hand-in the last week.» (Very poor)
- A new teacher should be found for the exercise sessions.» (Rather good)
- It felt like Graham was happy to have questions and gladly stayed answered them even after the lecture ended.» (Very good)

13. How well has cooperation between you and your fellow students worked?

24 svarande

Very poorly»0 0%
Rather poorly»1 4%
Rather well»12 52%
Very well»10 43%
I did not seek cooperation»1

Genomsnitt: 3.39

- Very well for exam, about the lab you can say I was a little bit unlucky with who I was pairing up with... » (Rather well)
- Worked with a student in a similar situation.» (Very well)

14. How was the course workload?

24 svarande

Too low»0 0%
Low»4 16%
Adequate»16 66%
High»4 16%
Too high»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3

- It was low, but as I run two companies on the side of the studies.. thats a good thing :)» (Low)
- Only because of the labs.» (High)

15. How was the total workload this study period?

24 svarande

Too low»0 0%
Low»1 4%
Adequate»13 54%
High»6 25%
Too high»4 16%

Genomsnitt: 3.54

- Not a member of it-section» (Adequate)
- Together with Cryptography.» (Adequate)
- I choose low load courses.» (Adequate)
- Had a tough other course. » (High)
- I had 3 classes, it was really complicated to be up-to-date for each lab.» (Too high)
- 3 courses» (Too high)

Summarizing questions

16. What is your general impression of the course?

24 svarande

Poor»3 12%
Fair»5 20%
Adequate»5 20%
Good»9 37%
Excellent»2 8%

Genomsnitt: 3.08 (bidrar till totalt genomsnitt/jämförelseindex)

- Intreseting on paper but poorly executed, to bad, was hoping for a lot more! » (Poor)
- Lectures were (too) slow paced and had annoying quiz-elements. I want the content of a lecture to be delivered in a clear and concise way. Not having slides available beforehand does not contribute to this. Exercises were iffy at best. Please spend less time on trivial things so that the interesting things gets more. » (Poor)
- Trying to forget everything about it except for the few things i actually learned.» (Poor)
- Some of the content did"t appeal to me. The hoarelogic and JML is something I"ll never use, maybe it is good for understanding testing logic. I"m not sure if it will make me a better programmer tho. Maybe I choose the course for the wrong reasons but I would have liked to understand the applied bit better. I would like to be convinced that I really need to do tests of code as it saves me alot of time, the problem is I wasn"t in this course. I"ve used JUnit and find it useful, its quite easy stuff.» (Fair)
- Interesting subject and fun course. Thanks! :)» (Good)
- Just a better explaination during the exercices session and it would be perfect.» (Good)
- Despite some roughness in presentation, the course goes through many new and interesting topics and was well worth taking.» (Good)
- Overall it was very good, but the slow grading of the submitted assignments makes it only "Good" and not "Excellent"» (Good)
- Very useful course.» (Excellent)

17. What should definitely be preserved to next year?

- course litterature with extensions!»
- Everything»
- The lecturer»
- Lecture slides»
- Definitely do the demos, especially since Key-Hoare is a very finicky program. Its highlighting system is unstable when first learning, especially since highlighting controls which commands can be accessed. In fact, spend more time on that. We had more problems with that program than the proofs themselves.»
- Labs. Lecture content was good. The guest lecture was a nice addition. Publishing of solutions to exercises should be kept as well.»
- JUnit testing »
- Graham as "teacher" and the concept of the labs And with concept I mean that all the labs is based on the previous assignments to make "one big system" (instead of creating e/r diagrams for one domain, tables for another, triggers for a third, javacode for a fourth...)»
- Moa is a great teacher and the slides she used this year are very good. »
- The lab assignment definitely was very helpful.»
- Tools used in the exercises/labs»

18. What should definitely be changed to next year?

- hate to say it but the exercises was really bad and the teaching in lectures could have been a lot better. From what I understand this was Moas first year teaching this so I am sure she will do better next year! But Gabrielle did not look like he wanted to be there, especially the last excerscise which was a disgrace! Why was there no recap or something like that for the exam? »
- Insert lab-session»
- The exercises. A more prepared and inspired exerciseteacher would the course really benefit on.»
- Exercice sessions»
- The exercise sessions»
- The teacher was good, but very unprepared in the lectures. I know this was her first year teching this course so understand why, but she could have prepared mode.»
- Exercise sessions»
- Cut the "sit and discuss for 15 minutes with someone beside you" moments, but the lecturer shouldn"t be afraid to take a 5 minutes break if needed. People will understand.»
- Publish slides beforehand. Skip the quizzes. »
- Think trough the exercises again and how you would capture the attention of students. »
- ¤, The persons who is grading the lab assignments should make sure to correct it on time. In my opinion, my (our maybe I should say our since it was a group assignment) was too slow when correcting the submitted files. For the first assignment it took a week to get it graded (and we submitted several days before first dead line). During the week we waited, other groups had their labs corrected (and rejected) several times. For the second assignment, our lab was corrected for the first time on the afternoon of the day before deadline. If we take in consideration that we have other courses and my and my lab partner have different schedules, we didn"t have time to meet up and fix the reasons for our reject, so we didn"t have time to submit before the final deadline. If this would have been our 2nd or 3rd reject I would understand that is was so close do final deadline, but not the first. For lab assignment number three, this was corrected: after final deadline, after we finished lab assignment number four and even after we got assignment four graded in fire! This is to bad! This should be corrected before we even should start on assignment number four since all assignment is based on the previous one. ¤, It would have been good with a few extra labs, however it maybe isn"t enough time? It would have liked a lab assignment on XML. I think the exam questions (not just our exam but the previous exams too) was kind of hard to solve. I think that if there was a lab on writing Xpath/XQuery expressions the understanding on how to write these would be better. By doing this it is easier to understand how all the different expresstions work and what result they have, rather than reading about how they work. I also would have liked some sort of simple lab on indexing a table in SQL just to make sure how to do it and also to see how much of an improvement it is.»
- A new teacher should be found for the exercise sessions.»
- The interactive quizzes while often good and interesting sometimes felt meaningless and boring. Maybe some could be changed to not be questions about was what just said by the lecturer and instead look toward the upcoming topic.»
- The way the exercise session were carried out. The teaching assistant should be more active in guiding how one should think in solving each question, select typical/important questions to analyze and answer on the blackboard instead of giving all of the answers directly with little explanation.»

19. Additional comments

- Hope it gets better for the students taking this course next year, because it could have been a really good course... »
- You should probably mention very early on and often with JML that there are actual programs that make it useful for verification, beyond basic cases, even if they aren"t covered by the course. My lab partner and I thought it had no practical use until the subject came up during a lecture near the end of the course.»
- I think it"s safe to assume some kind of background in discrete mathematics (studied in the first year)!! Meaning you don"t have to explain logical equivalence and such basic concepts. I"d also like to ask the TA to speak in a louder voice. Some lecture rooms are quite big!»
Genomsnitt totalt för detta stycke: 3.08

Genomsnitt totalt för alla frågor: 3.08
Beräknat jämförelseindex: 0.52

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