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Course evaluation PPU170 2012, PPU170

Status: Avslutad
Öppen för svar: 2012-10-29 - 2012-11-16
Antal svar: 19
Procent av deltagarna som svarat: 54%
Kontaktperson: Tommy Fässberg»
Utbildningsprogram som genomför enkäten: Chalmers: masterskurs

Your own effort

1. Approximately how many hours per week did you work with the course?

Estimate the total time in, including both teaching activities and your own studies. Try to estimate the average for the whole study period.

17 svarande

At most 10 hours»0 0%
About 15 hours»3 17%
About 20 hours»4 23%
About 25 hours»3 17%
About 30 hours»5 29%
At least 35 hours»2 11%

Genomsnitt: 3.94

2. How much of the teaching (lectures, supervision not included) offered did you attend?

18 svarande

0%»2 11%
25%»5 27%
50%»2 11%
75%»4 22%
100%»5 27%

Genomsnitt: 3.27

- The lectures is not at all connected to the course content» (25%)
- Hard to go on lectures due to the fact that students have different schedules and these times fit everyone in the group for working on the project.» (25%)
- I took a course with the same schedule.» (50%)

Goals and goal fulfilment

The course syllabus states the course goals in terms of learning objectives.

3. How understandable are the course goals?

17 svarande

I have not seen/read the goals»3 17%
The goals are difficult to understand»3 17%
The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer»5 29%
The goals clearly describe what I am supposed to learn»6 35%

Genomsnitt: 2.82

- I read them but don"t remember.» (?)
- They are useless» (The goals are difficult to understand)
- The connection between learning outcomes and the aim is very unclear.» (The goals are difficult to understand)
- It was only in the goals that "how" the presentations should be held where. Make that more clear, very much more clear.» (The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer)
- The goals (learing outcome) of the course are clear, but some of them are more of reflections of some parts of the course rather than actual goals for learning outcome. » (The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer)
- However, the learning outcomes do not seem to be reasonable out of the course goals. » (The goals clearly describe what I am supposed to learn)

4. Are the course goals reasonable considering the number of credits?

16 svarande

yes, I think so»11 68%
hesitant»4 25%
no»1 6%

Genomsnitt: 1.37

- But skip this "reflecting part" and let us focus on the actual project for the customer!» (yes, I think so)

5. Did the examination assess whether you have reached the goals?

Please comment your impression of continuous examination during the course.

17 svarande

No, not at all»2 11%
To some extent»8 47%
Yes, definitely»4 23%
I don"t know/have not been examined yet»3 17%

Genomsnitt: 2.47

- I guess you only read the report for assessing the collaboration in the group? » (To some extent)
- To have individual presentations might be good, but to spread it out during two weeks was a very bad idea. That forced us to hurry our work just to have a report to hand to the opponents. Many of the reports were not in such a state that is was meaningful to do a opposition. Please change this for next year!» (To some extent)
- Hard to improve. No feedback from the previous report and I guess there won"t be any this time either. So it is hard to know what was good/bad. Also, there seems to only be a focus on how to do the project and the report but nothing on the results (most important in real life?).» (To some extent)
- I hope we can get some feedback of the report from the supervisor» (Yes, definitely)

6. How do you rate the final seminars and the feedback from Claes and Bertil?

18 svarande

Poor»4 22%
Fair»2 11%
Adequate»2 11%
Good»5 27%
Excellent»5 27%

Genomsnitt: 3.27

- Experted relevant feedback. » (Poor)
- Claes and Bertil needs to work with how to approach people in a good way.» (Poor)
- I would have known what the actual outcome of the groups" projects were? Now I only heard them reflect about problems in their work...? Very strange! Since everyone had to present by themselves, this also affected the opposition in a bad way! I could get something out of the report, but since this was held very early, there were parts missing in the report...... We"ve been studying for four years. Do we really need this presentation practice? It should be something for the bachelor students?» (Poor)
- The feedback was partly given in an inappropriate way. Some things that were said should have been taken up in a personal feedback, not in front of all the group. There was personal critics brought in a way that might have hurt the feelings of some students. Bertil and especially Claes should pay more attention to the way of expressing negative feedback.» (Fair)
- Dificult to know what was expected and very hard to fit to the project, got the feeling one had to "Make a mountain out of a molehill".» (Fair)
- Claes feedback was good, even though I cant se the reason to examine our presentation technique in this type of course.» (Adequate)
- They sometimes became very critical (which is good of course) but did not follow that up with guidance to be better. They pointed with the whole arm what you should achieve. Not how to do it or with a acceptable motivation why it was wrong. Otherwise a good and learningfull concept.» (Adequate)
- I felt very uncomfortable when they criticized a fellow student. It wasn"t a very good presentation, but to give only negative criticism and not following up with many concrete suggestions and tips is unprofessional. The focus should instead be on HOW he/she should practice to give better presentations in the future. Of course Bertil and Claes are allowed to criticize, but please don"t just point out bad things and definitely not in front of an audience. My suggestion is that you schedule time for criticism individually, perhaps could the presenter then also get to see the film from the presentation. If not, you should at least consider the person receiving the criticism. At my seminar the person who were criticized looked like he/she wanted to disappear through the floor. Of course one should be able to receive hard criticism in front of audience. That might be a part of our future careers, but in my opinion this specific time it crossed the line.» (Good)
- Oral presentations are difficult and it"s good to get feedback from a professional» (Excellent)

Teaching and course administration

7. To what extent has the teaching been of help for your learning?

18 svarande

Small extent»8 44%
Some extent»7 38%
Large extent»3 16%
Great extent»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 1.72

- It was not related to the project work. What was really in it for me as a student working with my specific project in this course?» (Small extent)
- The lectures were not connected to our project at all. I am sure all the groups could have managed to do the same project with the same result without visiting any lecture.» (Small extent)
- Especially the career service lecture gave some personal insight. Presentation lecture was not much new, but still some good points.» (Some extent)

8. How well did the course administration, web page, handouts etc work?

18 svarande

Poor»4 22%
Fair»3 16%
Acceptable»2 11%
Good»6 33%
Excellent»3 16%

Genomsnitt: 3.05

- The content of the presentation changed when Claes presented it for us. Different messages from Claes and Bertil... Dates for hand-ins were changed etc.» (Poor)
- When lectures are not compulsory you should not need to find out critical information (how to present for Bertil and Claes) from your classmate (with a lot of confusion on what, how to present should be added). And no, it is not clear in the PM. Did not really need to use the PM at all.» (Poor)
- Course administration was not as good as it should be. Change in plan with the seminars was bad, requiring project groups to change plan and finish milestones earlier. It should be possible to stick to the plan made in the first period. Much confusion about the presentation, contradicting goals of Claes and Bertil? Should be clear for both before what and how has to be done.» (Fair)
- I still have not received results from my first delivery» (Fair)
- Look at the A2-tamplates, different versions of office shows different things.» (Fair)

Study Climate

9. How was the opportunities for asking questions and getting help?

17 svarande

Poor»2 11%
Fair»2 11%
Adequate»3 17%
Good»7 41%
Excellent»3 17%

Genomsnitt: 3.41

- We always had our supervisor, so it was Adequate.» (Adequate)
- Supervisor good, administration fair.» (Adequate)
- Our supervisor was very helpful.» (Good)

10. How has the cooperation been, between you and the other students?

18 svarande

Very bad»1 5%
Rather bad»1 5%
Rather good»7 38%
Very good»9 50%
I have not tried to cooperate»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.33 (bidrar till totalt genomsnitt/jämförelseindex)

- Even though some persons almost always slip away! :-((» (Rather good)
- The group size was too large. I would suggest to have absolutely no more than four students in each group.» (Rather good)

11. How was the total workload during the entire study period

17 svarande

Too low»0 0%
Low»1 5%
High»13 76%
Too high»3 17%

Genomsnitt: 3.11

- Especially when some people in the group are doing less than expected.» (High)

12. How many courses (including this course) did you attend this study period?

18 svarande

0 0%
16 88%
2 11%
0 0%
More (please comment how many)»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.11

- I though did not have time with the other course so i started to study it after last delivery of this project.» (2)

13. How many courses (including IAR058) did you attend last study period?

17 svarande

0 0%
15 88%
0 0%
1 5%
More (please comment how many)»1 5%

Genomsnitt: 2.29

- one thousand» (More (please comment how many))
Genomsnitt totalt för detta stycke: 3.33

Lectures and seminars

14. What did you think of the concept of an expo to present your projects?

Please comment the use of A3 as a way to present your work.

17 svarande

Poor»4 23%
Fair»2 11%
Adequate»5 29%
Good»5 29%
Excellent»1 5%

Genomsnitt: 2.82

- Did not learn anything from it, did not seem do make a big impact on the course grade, nobody asked anything (except fellow course mates), wrong way to use a A3 report also. » (Poor)
- Hard to compress all information to such a small format. The interest during the expo was quite low.» (Adequate)
- To much students from our class for other students to look at them, small space for all to stand around.» (Adequate)
- Was good to make some contacts to the first year Master students. Those should however be invited to the presentations too.» (Good)
- could have been some more space for each group in the student hall» (Good)
- It was very good, but there was not enough space in order to have some representatives from each project and be able to show the work for other students. Thereby the visitors had a hard time to know who was a part of which project if they had some questions.» (Good)

15. How do you rate the Intellectual Property lecture (Bo Hallgren)?

17 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Fair»1 14%
Adequate»3 42%
Good»2 28%
Excellent»1 14%
Did not attend»10

Genomsnitt: 3.42

- OK, but not relevant in my case.» (Fair)
- Lecture in itself was ok. Just the connection was missing - how does this lecture help us right now?» (Adequate)
- Interesting, but did not see the connection to out project, nor project work in general.» (Adequate)
- Very interesting and relevant!» (Excellent)

16. How do you rate the Presentation technique lecture (Claes Johnsson)?

17 svarande

Poor»1 9%
Fair»1 9%
Adequate»1 9%
Good»5 45%
Excellent»3 27%
Did not attend»6

Genomsnitt: 3.72

- I have heard it before. The message was strange since it was not what Bertil had told us before. So, you simply had to be there in order to understand what to do? Is that really the way to hand out exercises?» (Fair)
- Interesting, but did not see the connection to out project, nor project work in general.» (Adequate)
- Good and entertaining lecture. His personal way of adressing some students might however intruded their privacy in some way.» (Good)
- Good tips and examples.» (Good)

17. How much have the presentation exercises improved your skills a presenter?

18 svarande

Not at all»3 16%
To some extent»9 50%
To a large extent»4 22%
To a very large extent»2 11%

Genomsnitt: 2.27

- was helpful for this special type of presentation (project presentation). Most presentation skills already present before.» (To some extent)
- I have practiced presentations in school since I was 16. I really can not see the reason why you think that masters students need this kind of exercise.» (To some extent)
- Didn"t like to have the feedback infront of everyone. » (To some extent)
- Did not change much, altough I came to the presentation a lot more prepared than I use to be so thats positive.» (To some extent)

18. How do you rate the Careers Service lecture (Annika Orvarson)?

17 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Fair»0 0%
Adequate»2 22%
Good»2 22%
Excellent»5 55%
Did not attend»8

Genomsnitt: 4.33

- Good to ask questions but it took time from our project work. » (Adequate)
- Very good, but did not see the connection to out project, nor project work in general. It feels unnecessary to spend time of this course on this kind of lecture. This is a lecture students should be able to take out of own interest on their spare time.» (Good)
- Very good insight in yourself - your own character and goals.» (Excellent)
- Good, practical tips!» (Excellent)

19. How do you rate the project report lectures (Tommy Fässberg)?

17 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Fair»0 0%
Adequate»1 14%
Good»6 85%
Excellent»0 0%
Did not attend»10

Genomsnitt: 3.85

- I went to the first one, and since we felt that we rather asked our supervisor specific questions about our own report I did not attend the next one.» (Good)
- Sick and could not attend.» (Did not attend)

20. How to increase attendance?

The attendance were very low for many of the lectures e.g Intellectual property rights and career service. Can you give suggestion for how to increase the attendance?

- By not having any lectures attendance will be 100%»
- Som jag tidigare nämnde. Innehållet av lektionerna är helt orelevanta mot kursinnehållet...»
- Motivate why the lecture is important. Explain what shall be learned and how that is important for the project or the career. However, keep in mind that students should have the opportunity to decide on their own if they want to get the input of the lecture or not.»
- Make them mandatory. They are good and relevant for a production engineer.»
- Motivate why it is important. Try to really relate this to the PROJECT and do not have lectures because you "have to". Even though there is a difference between the school and companies, there has to be a clear link in between. Or, you can always be a dictator and have it compulsory... BUT, then you have to know you are only treating the symptoms not the actual cause. People can still be there but do something else and not listen. Is that better than not attending and work with the project report?»
- This is a project course and we often feel like we shouldn"t be sitting at lectures when we have work to do. I think the only way is to make them compulsory. If not all of them, then make 3 out of 5 compulsory.»
- The lectures have to be linked to the work during the course, and the examination! If you make the lectures mandatory, you are only addressing the symptoms, not the reason for the problems. Sadly, I can not see the connection between the course aim and the lectures, even though I have read the course PM. Therefore I have no suggestions to make the attendance of these lectures better. The lectures should be changed, or skipped.»
- I dont know actually why i did not attend. I guess it was because i wanted to finish the project report so i skip lectures to write the report. »
- Mandatory guest lectures»
- I think you could really need to listen to Claes. How to make a first impression is crucial and yeah, that what did it for me already in the first course. 2/4 hs first lecture was rubbish, I gave it another try, another try and one last try. Then I stopped going to the lectures because I can use my time better. One memorable crucial moment in the first lecture was that Bertil started out with long quotes from Donald Schöns book that we needed to read at the lecture. That set the tone for the whole course and everybody almost hated the book even before they open it for themselves.»

Project and Supervision

Rate the performance of the project and the supervision given during the project

21. How much of the project plan had to be revised during the project?

18 svarande

Not at all»0 0%
To a little extent»8 44%
To a large extent»7 38%
To very large extent»3 16%
Was not able to use it at all»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.72

- Since the deadline was earlier than decided in the pre-study....(W H Y??????) the project plan had to be revised. » (To a large extent)
- While making deeper analysis, another (more important) problem was identified and chosen. So the old plan was left and a new way was taken.» (To very large extent)

22. How much help was the project plan was during this course ?

17 svarande

Not at all»2 11%
To a little extent»6 35%
To a large extent»9 52%
To very large extent»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.41

- Analysis methods had been planned and could be executed without long preparation.» (To a large extent)

23. Have your project been a challange of the type described by the quote below?

"In real-world practice, problem do not present themselves to the practitioner as given. They must be constructed from the materials of problematic situations which are puzzling, troubling, and uncertain. In order to convert a problematic situation to a problem, a practitioner must do a certain work."

17 svarande

Not at all»1 5%
To a little extent»4 23%
To a large extent»6 35%
To a very large extent»6 35%

Genomsnitt: 3

- Yes, BUT don"t let us read that book by Donald Schön. Try to discuss those quotes instead. You read just because you have to and not because you are interested.» (To a large extent)
- Problem was very open. The first definition we did was not very good as it showed in the end. Own experience of how important this is.» (To a very large extent)

24. How do you rate your supervisor and the supervision given during the project?

18 svarande

Excellent»3 16%
Very Good»8 44%
Good»5 27%
Poor»0 0%
Very Poor»2 11%

Genomsnitt: 2.44

- Really helped and always had useful comments of what we could do better or recommendations how we could proceed.» (Very Good)
- But he was very busy when we actually needed him(?). Otherwise it was exellent.» (Very Good)
- Could be "to much" at times and going of topics several times also. Sometimes did not have the same picture as the group.» (Good)
- Critics we get from him was only bad. He treated us as stupids. » (Very Poor)

25. How satisfied are you with your project?

18 svarande

Not satisfied at all»0 0%
Low satisfaction»2 11%
Satisfied»5 27%
Very Satisfied»8 44%
Extreamly pleased»3 16%

Genomsnitt: 3.66

- We gave the company something they really need and can make use of. Thus very satisfied. But: would have been good to identify the final problem already in the pre-study. would have made a better and more thorough solution possible.» (Very Satisfied)

26. In retrospect what should be changed in the pre study course (IAR058) and this course (PPU170) for you to reach an even better end result?

- To not have a pre study course, and to not use any project model, »
- Mycket var presentationteknik men man kan inte dömma på det sättet som både Clas och Bertil gjorde. I så fall måste man ge mer träningsmöjligheter till de som inte är vana att presentera. Jag blev upprörd på vår presentation. Kritiken var personlighetsbaserad och inte okej till en av studenterna. Man kan inte jämföra allas presentationer mot varandra Man måste utgå från vart man kommer ifrån. För vissa var det kanske bara ett framsteg att stå och hålla en presentation helt själv och bli filmad. Inte okej! Ska man ha den sortens bedömning måste mer av innehållet i kursen läggas på presentationsteknik. Jag skulle rekommendera Elaine istället för Clas.»
- Point out at the beginning how important the problem definition is for all the following work and the outcome of the whole project.»
- Don"t have these lectures (or make them related to the projects). Don"t have this "presentation technique", this is something for the bachelor studets, have the opposition later so that the opponent has something to say, Don"t have the holiday in between. Do not use LIPS. Take away the reading of Donald Schön. »
- The group size should be smaller, and you should not have individual presentations that takes a lot of time from the project work.»
- Pre study did not give so much so i think decreasing hand ins and focus on project would be better.»
- I believe that both courses where ok»
- More investigating in the pre-study»
- add some topics of project management, more discussion about project development»

Summarizing questions

27. What do you think of making one course of the pre-study (IAR058) and this course (PPU170) and place it in study period 3 and 4 in year 1?

17 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Fair»2 11%
Adequate»1 5%
Good»8 47%
Excellent»6 35%

Genomsnitt: 4.05

- current schedule is better » (Fair)
- Kan vara bra då man INTE får ha obligatoriska kurser i årskurs 2. studievägledaren så att Bertil inte får lägga en obligatoriska kurs i årskurs 2. Men det var sagt att den var obligatoriska vilket den inte var. Mycket missvisande. Så kan man inte göra.» (Good)
- Good proposal, as very long break between the two phases.» (Good)
- Better, lost touch with the project during a loooong summer break.» (Good)
- That is exactly the way to go!! o/» (Excellent)
- Isn"t that obvious? I don"t understand why the courses were separated.» (Excellent)

28. What is your general impression of the course?

18 svarande

Poor»3 16%
Fair»1 5%
Adequate»2 11%
Good»9 50%
Very Good»3 16%
Excellent»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.44

- Se kommentarer ovan. » (Poor)
- I really like real-world practice. However, this has been totaly distructed by the things we have had to do in the "school world", so that makes my grade much lower.» (Fair)
- It is very good to have a project like this. Gives important experience for the career. However organization could be better.» (Good)

29. What shoud be preserved for next year

What are your suggestions on what worked well and should be kept for next year and not lost in the continuous improvements?

- the open problems»
- Tänk igenom hela kursen. Hur ska ni få studenterna att lita på er och tycka det är roligt? Genom att ljuga förloras allt förtroende både till hela programmet och kursen. »
- - Career Service lecture - duration over 2 study periods - real industry problem»
- Company contacts!»
- The individual seminars. It is good that we can"t "hide" behind our group at the presentation. Some people do that throughout Chalmers.»
- The interaction with the companies.»
- Presentation with Claes and Bertil should definetely be kept»
- Presentation technique»
- add one more presentation technique lecture »

30. What should be changed to next year?

- Project model, lectures, should be gone. »
- No individual presentation! Takes away a lot of time to prepare the individual presentations - time that would be needed for the project, happening in an intense phase. Why can"t the group present as a whole? Or better: Why is the presentation necessary at all? Project is presented at the company anyway. And it should be ok to give the same grade to the whole group. Individual grades are not necessary, the work was done in cooperation anyway! Bertil needs to work on dealing with criticism. Gets very defensive and personal. Neutral discussion hardly possible.»
- Don"t have these lectures (or make them related to the projects). Don"t have this "presentation technique", this is something for the bachelor studets, have the opposition later so that the opponent has something to say. Don"t have the holiday in between. Do not use LIPS. Take away the reading of Donald Schön. Try to have smaller groups.»
- The reflective practitioner book. Change it to something newer and easier to read. »
- The oral presentations. Is it really necessary to examine our oral presentation skills? What has that to do with our work in the project. Review the contents of each lecture and make sure it is motivated by the aims of the course.»
- Mandatory guest lectures»
- the Lips document and blanket seems more suitable for product development. maybe adjusting them for this course.»

31. Have the course given you the skill set to analyse real industrial problem.

18 svarande

Not at all»2 11%
Yes, to some extent»9 50%
Yes, to a large extent»7 38%
Yes, to a very large extent»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.27

- All knowledge about this is coming from other courses, courses like this isnt giving much more skills than knowing open problems are difficult to manage. » (Not at all)
- But I would really have liked to have more time, instead of attending compulsory lectures...» (Yes, to some extent)
- I would like to see some lectures on how to do this instead!» (Yes, to some extent)

32. Have you gained a better understanding of the profession of a production engineer?

18 svarande

No, not at all»2 11%
Yes, to some extent»10 55%
Yes, to a large extent»6 33%
Yes, to a very large extent»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.22

33. Would you recommend this course for other students?

18 svarande

Yes definatley»5 27%
yes»6 33%
Maybe»3 16%
no»2 11%
definatley no»2 11%

Genomsnitt: 2.44

- If it would be one course» (Maybe)
- It is very depending on what project you get.» (no)

34. Additional comments

- I felt like i had to do extra more because the others did not care as much and they did not do the parts they were supposed to do. In the end will get same results although I wrote 90 % of the report and two of us in the group did not do anything but attended to meetings and chatted on facebook during the meetings. Maybe a more divided responsibilities from start of the project would help to get rid of this problem. I guess it works like that at companies as well. Decide the rolls and let people attend to the projects knowing their responsibilities from the very start.»
- Dropped the course after 2 weeks due to difficulties to cooperate with our supervisor and that I felt unfairly treated in front of the class by him. And also due the fact that our Master Programme Coordinator have told us during one year that the course was compulsary but it showed out that it was not (asked the study center about this).»

Genomsnitt totalt för alla frågor: 3.33
Beräknat jämförelseindex: 0.58

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