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Introduction to Integrated Circuit Design, Lp 1 Ht11, MCC091
Status: Avslutad Öppen för svar: 2011-10-24 - 2011-11-04 Antal svar: 20 Procent av deltagarna som svarat: 18% Kontaktperson: Åsa Samdell»
Your background1. My study background is:19 svarande
Chalmers civilingenjör programme - Electrical Engineering» | | 9 | | 47% |
Chalmers civilingenjör programme - Computer Engineering» | | 1 | | 5% |
Chalmers civilingenjör - other programme» | | 0 | | 0% |
Chalmers högskoleingenjör programme - Electrical Engineering» | | 0 | | 0% |
Chalmers högskoleingenjör programme - Computer Engineering» | | 0 | | 0% |
Chalmers högskoleingenjör - other programme» | | 0 | | 0% |
Other Swedish civilingenjör programme» | | 1 | | 5% |
Other Swedish högskoleingenjör programme» | | 0 | | 0% |
Foreign university - Electrical Engineering» | | 7 | | 36% |
Foreign university - Computer Engineering» | | 0 | | 0% |
Foreign university - other programme» | | 1 | | 5% |
Other (explain below)» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 4.84 2. I am currently enrolled in this master programme:19 svarande
Embedded (or Integrated) Electronic System Design» | | 12 | | 63% |
Other Chalmers master programme» | | 3 | | 15% |
Not enrolled in master programme» | | 4 | | 21% |
Genomsnitt: 1.57 - I am an exchange student.» (Not enrolled in master programme)
- UNITECH International Exchange 2011/2012» (Not enrolled in master programme)
Your own effort3. How many hours per week did you spend on this course?We mean total time, that is, it comprises the time you spent in class and the time you spent on your own work. Try to estimate the average time over the entire study period.20 svarande
At most 15 hours/week» | | 0 | | 0% |
Around 20 hours/week» | | 4 | | 20% |
Around 25 hours/week» | | 11 | | 55% |
Around 30 hours/week» | | 3 | | 15% |
At least 35 hours/week» | | 2 | | 10% |
Genomsnitt: 3.15 - In exam week, it may be 40 hours. » (Around 25 hours/week)
- Since the assignments were, as Kjell put it "fuzzy" it took a huge amount of time.» (At least 35 hours/week)
4. How large part of the teaching offered did you attend? 19 svarande
0%» | | 0 | | 0% |
25%» | | 0 | | 0% |
50%» | | 2 | | 10% |
75%» | | 3 | | 15% |
100%» | | 14 | | 73% |
Genomsnitt: 4.63 - Lectures were helpful but the contents were lot to grasp in 2 hrs.It was hard to take notes and listen to class. Why not have a video recording of lectures? » (100%)
Goals and goal fulfilmentThe course syllabus states the course goals in terms of learning outcomes, i.e., knowledge, skills and attitudes to be acquired by the student during the course.5. How understandable are the course goals?20 svarande
I have not seen/read the goals» | | 3 | | 15% |
The goals are difficult to understand» | | 3 | | 15% |
The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer» | | 7 | | 35% |
The goals clearly describe what I am supposed to learn» | | 7 | | 35% |
Genomsnitt: 2.9 - I can"t say it was easy since the exam did not correspond with the earlier years exams.» (The goals are difficult to understand)
- In general, course goals are fairly clear. However in some cases, there were different statements from the two teachers, which were confusing. » (The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer)
6. Are the goals reasonable considering your background and the number of credits?Answer this this question and the succeeding one, only if you do know the course goals.16 svarande
No, the goals are set too low» | | 1 | | 6% |
Yes, the goals seem reasonable» | | 13 | | 81% |
No, the goals are set too high» | | 2 | | 12% |
Genomsnitt: 2.06 - Lab exercises were not really challenging, if there were any probelms, then only about struggling with the system rather than with the learning content. » (No, the goals are set too low)
- No, the number of labs were way to much. Remove two of them. At least the one during the final week.» (No, the goals are set too high)
- Goals were high - workload were more.» (No, the goals are set too high)
7. Did the examination, including hand-in problem and pre-lab assignments assess whether you have reached the goals?17 svarande
No, not at all» | | 0 | | 0% |
To some extent» | | 9 | | 52% |
Yes, definitely» | | 8 | | 47% |
I don"t know/have not been examined yet» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 2.47 - The exam was very hard and even though I studied 5 full days, I felt that I could not answer the questions. It was too much to do and the time ran out.» (To some extent)
- The exam was lousy. First it was to hard and therefore to time-consuming. A exam should contain an equal mix of easy and hard questions, not only hard ones that are woven together. Second I do not think that it reflected the course very well, task layout should match course layout.» (To some extent)
- Everything was included in the exam, unfortunately everything was done in a new way which confused me. I had all the basic tools needed for the exam but I couldnt make out how I was supposed to apply them.» (To some extent)
- 1.In my opinion, the contents of the exam is very good. I like it.
2.The pre-assignment for lab4 is more about math than circuits.» (Yes, definitely)
Teaching and course administration8. To what extent has the teaching been of help for your learning?20 svarande
Small extent» | | 1 | | 5% |
Some extent» | | 6 | | 30% |
Large extent» | | 10 | | 50% |
Great extent» | | 3 | | 15% |
Genomsnitt: 2.75 - tutorials by professors were more helpful than the lecture part as they gave an idea of how to solve the problem» (Large extent)
9. How do you rate the level of difficulty of the four labs?Matrisfråga- Lab 4 was actually easy, but because it was a new lab it was difficult to understand what to do. It also seemed meaningless, I did not learn anything during the lab.»
- To Lab 4: It was easy to make, since it was mainly about following the lab memo. However, I really did not understand what we actually did there, and what that was good for.»
- The last lab was a bit annoying. It didn"t give anything to just copy and paste the text from the pdf and trying to figure out the errors.»
- Get the software working!
The teaching assistants on the Monday labs could have been better preparred.»
- The last lab was completely pointless. Copying and pasting from a document during several hours did not do anything for me at all. Probably the worst lab I have ever attended. If you finished the lab or did not finish the lab did not matter in terms of knowledge. I did not not learn anything from this lab and neither did the ones who have not finished it. Worthless.. »
- I didn"t learn anything on lab 4. We just implemented the values in the program and hoped that it worked, why??? »
- I still don"t know what the purpose of the fourth lab was...»
- The lab4 seems meaningless, as we just typing some configuration files, and it"s boring.»
Lab 1 Inverter digital and analog 20 svarande
Very easy» | | 3 | | 15% |
Somewhat easy» | | 2 | | 10% |
Reasonable» | | 13 | | 65% |
Somewhat hard» | | 2 | | 10% |
Very hard» | | 0 | | 0% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 2.7 Lab 2 Comparator schematics 20 svarande
Very easy» | | 1 | | 5% |
Somewhat easy» | | 4 | | 20% |
Reasonable» | | 10 | | 50% |
Somewhat hard» | | 5 | | 25% |
Very hard» | | 0 | | 0% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 2.95 Lab 3 Comparator layout 20 svarande
Very easy» | | 1 | | 5% |
Somewhat easy» | | 0 | | 0% |
Reasonable» | | 11 | | 55% |
Somewhat hard» | | 6 | | 30% |
Very hard» | | 2 | | 10% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.4 Lab 4 Standard-cell characterization 20 svarande
Very easy» | | 1 | | 5% |
Somewhat easy» | | 4 | | 20% |
Reasonable» | | 3 | | 15% |
Somewhat hard» | | 6 | | 30% |
Very hard» | | 4 | | 20% |
Don"t know» | | 2 | | 10% |
Genomsnitt: 3.7 10. How do you rate the time the in-lab part of each lab took you?Matrisfråga- Often unnecessary time-consuming due to software problems»
- The fourth lab added nothing to the understanding. It was a mere copy-and-paste of text commands and getting the software to work as intended. It would be better if the command files were ready made and we got to look at the result a bit more.»
- I can"t see the point with lab 4. Sure, we learned how to edit text files and using the terminal but is that really what the course is about?
And if the servers are down during the lab, why should that effect us? Lab 3 was the same thing, got stuck on the last part with the LVS. Spending 4 extra hours just to see a smiley is just a waste of time.»
Lab 1 Inverter, digital and analog 20 svarande
Very short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Somewhat short» | | 4 | | 20% |
Reasonable» | | 11 | | 55% |
Somewhat long» | | 5 | | 25% |
Very long» | | 0 | | 0% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.05 Lab 2 Comparator schematics 20 svarande
Very short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Somewhat short» | | 1 | | 5% |
Reasonable» | | 12 | | 60% |
Somewhat long» | | 6 | | 30% |
Very long» | | 1 | | 5% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.35 Lab 3 Comparator layout 20 svarande
Very short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Somewhat short» | | 1 | | 5% |
Reasonable» | | 9 | | 45% |
Somewhat long» | | 5 | | 25% |
Very long» | | 5 | | 25% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.7 Lab 4 Standard-cell characterization 20 svarande
Very short» | | 1 | | 5% |
Somewhat short» | | 1 | | 5% |
Reasonable» | | 5 | | 25% |
Somewhat long» | | 8 | | 40% |
Very long» | | 5 | | 25% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.75 11. How do you rate the time the prelab assignment took you for the different labs?Matrisfråga- Some of them were ok, but there Should be clearer instructions. We students also have precious time, and it"s annoying that everyone thinks that we can spend 6-8 hours trying to solve a problem where there are a few parameters missing.»
Lab 1 Inverter digital and analog 20 svarande
Very short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Somewhat short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Reasonable» | | 17 | | 85% |
Somewhat long» | | 2 | | 10% |
Very long» | | 1 | | 5% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.2 Lab 2 Comparator schematics 20 svarande
Very short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Somewhat short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Reasonable» | | 12 | | 60% |
Somewhat long» | | 6 | | 30% |
Very long» | | 2 | | 10% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.5 Lab 3 Comparator layout 20 svarande
Very short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Somewhat short» | | 1 | | 5% |
Reasonable» | | 13 | | 65% |
Somewhat long» | | 5 | | 25% |
Very long» | | 1 | | 5% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.3 Lab 4 Standard-cell characterization 20 svarande
Very short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Somewhat short» | | 3 | | 15% |
Reasonable» | | 15 | | 75% |
Somewhat long» | | 1 | | 5% |
Very long» | | 1 | | 5% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3 12. How do you rate the difficulty of the three hand-in problems?Matrisfråga- It is hard because the hand-in is handed out before it is lectured. I can understand the point that if you have worked with the problem yourself, you will be more active on the lecture. Thou I think that the bonus point should be changed so that bonus points are given when a correct solution is handed in within one week after the first deadline.»
- Tutorials on thursday can be scheduled a week before the assignment hand in. In some case model problems were solved after the assignment submission »
Hand-in problem 1: Zero detect cell & amplifier 19 svarande
Very easy» | | 1 | | 5% |
Somewhat easy» | | 0 | | 0% |
Reasonable» | | 7 | | 36% |
Somewhat hard» | | 10 | | 52% |
Very hard» | | 1 | | 5% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.52 Hand-in problem 2: Inverter delay + gain 19 svarande
Very easy» | | 1 | | 5% |
Somewhat easy» | | 0 | | 0% |
Reasonable» | | 9 | | 47% |
Somewhat hard» | | 9 | | 47% |
Very hard» | | 0 | | 0% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.36 Hand-in problem 3: Prefix comparator and adders 19 svarande
Very easy» | | 1 | | 5% |
Somewhat easy» | | 3 | | 15% |
Reasonable» | | 13 | | 68% |
Somewhat hard» | | 2 | | 10% |
Very hard» | | 0 | | 0% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 2.84 13. How do you rate the time each of the hand-in assignmetns took you?Matrisfråga- It took quite long time because you had to use non-lectured techniques.»
- Hand in"s were easy but it seemed difficult as method was taught later.»
Hand-in 1: Zero-detect cell + simple amplifier 19 svarande
Very short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Somewhat short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Reasonable» | | 9 | | 47% |
Somewhat long» | | 7 | | 36% |
Very long» | | 3 | | 15% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.68 Hand-in 2: Inverter delay + gain 19 svarande
Very short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Somewhat short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Reasonable» | | 8 | | 42% |
Somewhat long» | | 7 | | 36% |
Very long» | | 4 | | 21% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.78 Hand-in 3: Prefix comparator & adders 19 svarande
Very short» | | 0 | | 0% |
Somewhat short» | | 4 | | 21% |
Reasonable» | | 12 | | 63% |
Somewhat long» | | 3 | | 15% |
Very long» | | 0 | | 0% |
Don"t know» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 2.94 14. To what extent has the course literature and other material been of help for your learning?19 svarande
Small extent» | | 2 | | 10% |
Some extent» | | 10 | | 52% |
Large extent» | | 4 | | 21% |
Great extent» | | 3 | | 15% |
Genomsnitt: 2.42 - Kjell"s book is not that good.» (?)
- prescribed books have very less solved model problems. It was needed to refer three books for the course it would be better if one book is written which covers all the materials» (Small extent)
- Didn"t use the book so much.» (Some extent)
- The slides could contain a lot more solutions and explanations and calculations» (Some extent)
- The course textbook was a big help. I think however that the reading instructions, say the chapter numbers in the course plan, are obsolete. It"d be helpful to update those to the newest version of the book.» (Great extent)
- Great book, should be used again.» (Great extent)
15. How well did the course administration, web page, handouts etc work?20 svarande
Very badly» | | 1 | | 5% |
Rather badly» | | 2 | | 10% |
Rather well» | | 12 | | 60% |
Very well» | | 5 | | 25% |
Genomsnitt: 3.05 - Unorganized folders on ping pong and process paramter sheet was not available until four weeks into the course.» (Rather badly)
- A lot of news and info on the web page, very active teachers.» (Rather well)
- lecture slides can have more information, more text so that notes taking could be reduced » (Rather well)
Study climate16. How were the opportunities for asking questions and getting help?20 svarande
Very poor» | | 0 | | 0% |
Rather poor» | | 1 | | 5% |
Rather good» | | 4 | | 20% |
Very good» | | 14 | | 70% |
I did not seek help» | | 1 | | 5% |
Genomsnitt: 3.75 - The opportunities in and outside class was good, but it was very poor during the labs. I was in the monday lab slot, and very often the lab assistants could not answer my questions.» (Rather poor)
- Mostly very good, sometimes it was not entirely clear when office ours were scheduled» (Rather good)
- Lena was mostly available, but we need a card access to even be able to ask kjell.» (Rather good)
- I guess making the question opportunities public in a lecture hall would save everyones time. And students might have heard questions/answers fro other students they didn"t even know was relevant.
Perhaps the Labteachers could have a larger han in this.» (Rather good)
- If it had not been for Lena it would probably be a lot harder to pass this course. It was perfect that we could come and ask her in her office and she was very helpful and had a good attitude unlike many other teachers when students ask for help. » (Very good)
- Thank"s to Lena.» (Very good)
- Great opportunities to ask for help and guidance from professors and TA"s.» (Very good)
- Posting answers for question asked by students in common portal -pingpong was really appreciative. It helped a lot» (Very good)
- You are very friendly.» (Very good)
17. How well has cooperation between you and your fellow students worked?20 svarande
Very poorly» | | 0 | | 0% |
Rather poorly» | | 2 | | 10% |
Rather well» | | 4 | | 20% |
Very well» | | 14 | | 70% |
I did not seek cooperation» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.6 - My lab partner and I worked separately and I think we both gained from that compared to if we had worked together.» (Rather poorly)
- Could be organized better. Perhaps split the class and try to make discussions between the students, to solve problems at least in the beginning.
Right now all that was done about this matter was pairing students which is not enough if both of the students lack knowledge to solve the prelab/handin problems. Labs althoug are easy enough.» (Rather poorly)
- Very good to discuss the different hand in and prelabs with fellow students. » (Very well)
18. How was the course workload?19 svarande
Too low» | | 0 | | 0% |
Low» | | 2 | | 10% |
Adequate» | | 6 | | 31% |
High» | | 10 | | 52% |
Too high» | | 1 | | 5% |
Genomsnitt: 3.52 - It was ok but the way the teachers planned that we should learn was ridiculous. Not everyone learns through doing 35 hours of labs per week. We need to examples to calculate.» (High)
- Lot of time on resubmissions, perhaps the knowledge required to solve the problems could me explained and shown more in detail.» (High)
19. How was the total workload this study period?20 svarande
Too low» | | 0 | | 0% |
Low» | | 2 | | 10% |
Adequate» | | 3 | | 15% |
High» | | 4 | | 20% |
Too high» | | 11 | | 55% |
Genomsnitt: 4.2 - W_MCC091/W_DAT092 = inf» (High)
- The VHDL course was a nightmare and it did not represent the 7.5 points that should have been adequate for that course. I think it is very strange that you can have such a high workload on that VHDL course. One would think that 7.5 points should represent 7.5 points and not like 15 or something. » (Too high)
- Due to the electronic system course.» (Too high)
Summarizing questions20. What is your general impression of the course?20 svarande
Poor» | | 1 | | 5% |
Fair» | | 0 | | 0% |
Adequate» | | 4 | | 20% |
Good» | | 15 | | 75% |
Excellent» | | 0 | | 0% |
Genomsnitt: 3.65 - I think the course should test us that we understand and that we have the basic tools to solve basic problems. I did 10 different exams ending with the latest one (which I got a full score on). However I doubt that I even passed the one we got which is, to say the least, frustrating. I don"t agree at all with Jeppson"s idea of that the descriptions of problem should be fuzzy "because that"s the engineering way". It shouldn"t be how we learn the things we know, the most important thing should be what we know in the end.
Not only did the course planning make it hard to learn things (all we did during the exam period was to back-track old solutions because they werent clear). The exam didnt look anything like the earlier years exams. » (Poor)
- I think the course is impressive. But the workload is a little low, comparing with such of previous years. I discussed with the students enrolled in 2009. The tasks for them is much harder than us. » (Adequate)
- Good as an introductory course but a bit too much included in the course maybe. A bit stressed in the end.» (Good)
- Except for lab 4.» (Good)
- Course is really good but lack of materials. There is no materials which describes how to begin with stick diagrams. how should parallel and series connection look like » (Good)
21. What should definitely be preserved to next year?- The lectures was good.»
- -Textbook
-style of teaching (solving problems in class, make calculations on the whiteboard, interact with students)
-ability to earn points from homework and labs»
- Exercises should be preserved.»
- Hand-in problems are a good way of learning.»
- The hand in assignments and the prelabs were rather good actually. Did not take too much time and you learned a lot from them. »
- prelabs and hand-in assignements.»
- tutorials they were really good»
- Lectures and labs.»
- The weekly hand-in and pre-lab routine»
- The labs and the hand-ins were pretty good. The lectures were really good and the Q&A session was helpfull. »
- The exercise class is essential to students to understand the theory.»
- Everything was good and should be preserved to next year»
22. What should definitely be changed to next year?- The fourth lab. It was pointless.»
- names of pdfs uploaded on pingpong - a chronological order, maybe by starting filenames with a number, would help much»
- The lectures which are uploaded should be well organized. sometimes they caused confusion. There are some duplicate and uncompleted files.»
- Better exam and eliminate software problems in lab.»
- The last lab did not add any understanding. Change the bonus point system.»
- The last lab has to go. It was completely worthless»
- Change lab4, this was wortless.»
- Remove the fourth lab or give some more information on what it was really about.»
- Book. A small exercise booklet with many detailed solved questions. Solutions to old exams should be more detailed »
- Provide more examples that are done correctly by the lecturer and then provide questions which can relate to the examples so that they can be solved. »
- The digital parts of the course were actually very easy but the lectures made it look like they were difficult. So teaching strategy for the digital part can be looked into»
- The exam should be more similar to older exams, since this is my (and many other students) understanding of preapering for it.
The organization of the lecture slides on the webpage was a little bit confusing.»
- The TA"s (mondays) were totally worthless, we knew more about the program then they did. (But the TA"s at friday were very good) So to next year, get TA"s that knows the program and assignments better than the students.
In the first lessons Lena and Kjell had a kind of own discussion between them when one of them were teaching. I don"t know if this was because it was a knew course, but it was kind of confusing and you didn"t know if what was said was addressed to the class or just to the other teacher.
The last lab was just strange, i haven"t learned anything from it. Because i don"t know what we did, cause our code didn"t work so Tung had to help us and then he rewrote large pieces of our code. It would have been better if we had got the files correct and then analysed the result.»
- 1.The teaching time for analog part of this course, like the matching, and frequency response(poles), is not enough. Maybe such part can be cancelled and give more teaching in digital part.
2. Lab4 can be changed.
3. Additional topics about the second order effects may be added.»
- It would be better is students have some brief information about the Software Cadence.»
- Last Lab semes to technical. Maybe that knowledge can be posponed.»
23. Additional comments- The lab assistants on the monday lab slot didn"t offer much help. It seemed like they didn"t know the software.»
- All in all, useful class with lots of interesting insights to the entire field of microelectronics»
- It"s a shame that the teachers have no clue what is hard or not. We Swedish students will "only loose a few weeks of time", practicing on the resits. But what about the exchange students? The people from China that have to re-do it?
I"m sorry but the course would get an "U" in my book without any hesitation.»
- Solutions given in old exams were different from the method solved in class and also solving was very short it was difficult to understand why certain formulas were introduced.»
- Provide an e-book of the course book by Kjell. Translate the last chapter of the book which is in Swedish to English.
Update the book with latest technology.»
- This course and the other course (DAT092) on the embedded program have a too high workload and i think it scares away people from the program when they realise that you have to work more than 50 hours a week.»
- Thank you!»
- The exam wasn"t the same level as expected, compared to previous exams. Perhaps on the layout students whould have to be tought some more than AOI, OAI and a Comparatorcell to be able to handle a halfadder. More examples of layouts was hard to come by.
It feels wrong to have extra bonus points on the handins since students that already know each other from before are more likley to share knowledge how to solve the problems, making student not that wall conected look worse. Perhaps the bouspoints should not halt in getting score 3.»
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