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TKITE 1011-4 Finite automata theory and formal languages, TMV026/DIT321

Status: Avslutad
Öppen för svar: 2011-05-27 - 2011-06-12
Antal svar: 17
Procent av deltagarna som svarat: 20%
Kontaktperson: Börje Johansson»
Utbildningsprogram som genomför enkäten: Informationsteknik 300 hp

Your own effort

1. How many hours per week did you spend on this course?

We mean total time, that is, it comprises the time you spent in class and the time you spent on your own work. Try to estimate the average time over the entire study period.

17 svarande

At most 15 hours/week»8 47%
Around 20 hours/week»5 29%
Around 25 hours/week»3 17%
Around 30 hours/week»1 5%
At least 35 hours/week»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 1.82

- did not attend any classes after 3:d week, since the lectures did not feel rewarding in their own sense» (At most 15 hours/week)

2. How large part of the teaching offered did you attend?

17 svarande

0%»3 17%
25%»2 11%
50%»1 5%
75%»8 47%
100%»3 17%

Genomsnitt: 3.35

- Only lectures» (50%)

Goals and goal fulfilment

The course syllabus states the course goals in terms of learning outcomes, i.e., knowledge, skills and attitudes to be acquired by the student during the course.

3. How understandable are the course goals?

17 svarande

I have not seen/read the goals»9 52%
The goals are difficult to understand»0 0%
The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer»3 17%
The goals clearly describe what I am supposed to learn»5 29%

Genomsnitt: 2.23

- Please write the course goals not as an abstract summary of the course (we can use the course litterature for that), but as a list of skills and specific knowledge the student is expected to acquire from taking the course.» (The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer)

4. Are the goals reasonable considering your background and the number of credits?

Answer this this question and the succeeding one, only if you do know the course goals.

12 svarande

No, the goals are set too low»0 0%
Yes, the goals seem reasonable»12 100%
No, the goals are set too high»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2

- I am not supposed to answer this question, but there is no way to uncheck the radio button.» (Yes, the goals seem reasonable)

5. Did the examination assess whether you have reached the goals?

12 svarande

No, not at all»0 0%
To some extent»3 25%
Yes, definitely»8 66%
I don"t know/have not been examined yet»1 8%

Genomsnitt: 2.83

- I felt to many questions were very hard to solve and it took to much time to solve some of the questions.» (To some extent)
- Too many questions on the exam! I suggest removing at least 2 questions. It was not possible to demonstrate one"s knowledge with so many questions. I felt I knew how to solve 90% of the questions but did simply not have time to do it. I only had time for about 55% of the points. Some questions were tricky, which is good and fun. Some were messy (table filling algorithms), which means it takes long time to do them to be sure you don"t mistake any value in a table. If a solution for a question takes about 30 min, and then you review/verify it to be sure in 10, there is no way one can solve all of the questions. One also might some time to catch one"s breath, and its not like sitting in a bench 4 hours without break is the most productive work process...» (To some extent)
- The questions were a bit to in depth:(» (Yes, definitely)

Teaching and course administration

6. To what extent has the teaching been of help for your learning?

17 svarande

Small extent»5 29%
Some extent»3 17%
Large extent»8 47%
Great extent»1 5%

Genomsnitt: 2.29

- Didn"t attend any lectures.» (Small extent)
- I found it very hard to follow on the lectures. Too much formulas compressed into few lines made it hard to understand for me. I has to parse each line of text and try to understand what it meant, but almost never succeeded. So i stopped going there and started reading a lot more in the text book instead. The lectures on thursdays were easier to follow.» (Small extent)
- Excersise sessions was better than Lectures, Go Willard!» (Large extent)
- Especially the exercise classes.» (Large extent)
- Willards tutorials did correspond well to the exam» (Large extent)
- Willard was awesome!» (Large extent)

7. To what extent has the course literature and other material been of help for your learning?

17 svarande

Small extent»2 11%
Some extent»5 29%
Large extent»4 23%
Great extent»6 35%

Genomsnitt: 2.82

- The current course book (Hopcroft, Motwani etc) was very theoretical and hard to digest. Switched to learning from "An Introduction to Formal Languages and Automata" (Linz) and it made every concept so much clearer and easier to grasp. (While not delving as deep into formality as Hopcroft).» (Small extent)
- didn"t buy book, only used assignments and slided, » (Some extent)
- Willards notes were epic. Didn"t ever look or buy the book though. » (Some extent)
- Book not so much. Slides to a larger extent. » (Some extent)
- But it would have helped a lot more if more of the exercises had answers.» (Large extent)
- The course book is very dry and complicated for a total beginner. However, last week I really started to appreciate all the formality.» (Large extent)
- The weekly assignments, which I put a lot time on were the only reason I learned much in this course. Course book was rather easy to follow and relevant.» (Great extent)

8. How well did the course administration, web page, handouts etc work?

17 svarande

Very badly»0 0%
Rather badly»2 11%
Rather well»9 52%
Very well»6 35%

Genomsnitt: 3.23

- It was very hard to find the actual schedule on the web page.» (Rather badly)
- I tried handing in solutions to one assignment, but I didn"t get any feedback. It would have been helpful.» (Rather badly)

Study climate

9. How were the opportunities for asking questions and getting help?

17 svarande

Very poor»0 0%
Rather poor»3 17%
Rather good»1 5%
Very good»6 35%
I did not seek help»7 41%

Genomsnitt: 4

- Would have wanted scheduled time to get help, not just in lecture breaks, extra important since no solutions to questions were offered» (Rather poor)
- Very good support from excercise instructors.» (Very good)

10. How well has cooperation between you and your fellow students worked?

17 svarande

Very poorly»0 0%
Rather poorly»0 0%
Rather well»4 23%
Very well»4 23%
I did not seek cooperation»9 52%

Genomsnitt: 4.29

- We arranged group practices every week, but would have been nice with scheduled time for that» (Rather well)

11. How was the course workload?

17 svarande

Too low»2 11%
Low»2 11%
Adequate»8 47%
High»5 29%
Too high»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.94

- See my final comment for detailed explanation and improvement suggestions.» (Too low)
- If I passed the exam, that is. Spent about 20 hours on the whole course.» (Too low)
- If one does all that one is supposed to do the workload becomes rather high.» (High)

12. How was the total workload this study period?

17 svarande

Too low»0 0%
Low»1 5%
Adequate»5 29%
High»10 58%
Too high»1 5%

Genomsnitt: 3.64

- DAT026 Matematisk Modellering required far more than 25 hours every week.» (High)
- Took three courses at the same time.» (High)
- I was finishing up my kandidat in parallel to this.» (High)
- Very much in other courses:(» (High)
- Took three courses, so might not be applicable» (High)
- bachelors» (Too high)

Summarizing questions

13. What is your general impression of the course?

17 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Fair»1 5%
Adequate»7 41%
Good»8 47%
Excellent»1 5%

Genomsnitt: 3.52

- I think this course has vast potential. The material is very interesting and has wide applicability within computer science. I feel, however, that this course should be held separately for students with mathematical background and a background in CS. To get better results from students, I am fully convinced that the course needs to show much clearer the specific uses of the different concepts, preferrably by one or two programming projects to give the students a hands on experience with the material.» (Fair)
- first half of course was good, second not so... didn"t find practical use of it» (Adequate)
- I think graphical animations of important algorithms could really boost learning.» (Adequate)
- Very interesting, but not very challenging.» (Good)
- Was very hard to get into this course initially because no solutions were offered for ANY questions in the weekly problems (except the assignments). Was hard to get a sense of if you are doing things right or wrong when the subject is totally new to you. Also made it next to impossible to understand anything on the lectures, because I was never sure I understood things right from the last week or not.» (Good)
- Everything was very good except the number of questions on exam, see previous comment.» (Good)
- Good, but some parts can become even better.» (Good)
- Good selection of topics, good assignments» (Good)
- It is very beneficial to have the assignments in the present form.» (Excellent)

14. What should definitely be preserved to next year?

- The excercise instructor and how excercise sessions are handled.»
- Assignments»
- Willard!»
- Even if I didn"t attend on lectures (maybe 2 in total) I think the layout is solid.»
- Exercise classes.»
- willard and the weekly assignment, often explained things in a more simple and easy to grasp way than at the lectures. at the end I stopped going to the lectures and went to willard"s lectures instead, and felt I learned more in less time than at the regular lectures.»
- Williards demonstrations, specially the first ones, they way he explained FAs, and how to make "runs" in NFAs. Assignments were cool.»
- * Ana Bove, she is doing a good job with the course. * The TA, Willard - he did a excellent job as a TA on the course. * The assignments that give bonus points on exam. This particular part is well constructed in this course. »
- The exam walkthrough and exercises.»
- Willard»
- Assignments»

15. What should definitely be changed to next year?

- Try to get financial backing from the IT-programme (and possibly D-programme) to develop a series of programming laborations which are either mandatory or give bonus points on the exam. I think this would take the course to a whole other level. »
- Give feedback on assignments.»
- More answers to exercises, old exams and assignments. It"s really hard to study and learn things without knowing if you have done it the right way or not!»
- hand out solutions for weekly excercises (not assignments of course) at least in the first few weeks to allow people to get a better grasp of what the course is about.»
- Exam! Fewer questions! More sample exams and solutions could be good. Although personally I knew about 90% of the real exam, so felt very well prepared for it, so while I didn"t need it, someone else might have.»
- I believe solved examples has to be added for next year"s course.»
- * Too much material to cover on exercise sessions but not enough time. => solution: Either cut in the amount of material or add extra exercise time. * Fix that computer can talk to OH SW in the lecture hall. This didn"t work this year. A ridiculous amount of time was wasted this year on this. * Not so MUCH focus on proofs all the time. Sure the subject kind on requires it. But sometimes it was WAY to excessive. For example on assignment part.»
- Add office hours»
- The assignments give too few bonus points to have this as a motivation to do them. Make them obligatory and make them worth a few more bonus points.»
- Cannot think of anything in particular that needs changing»

16. Additional comments

- The exercise classes were very good but would have been even better if we would have gotten through more exercises each time.»
- solutions to weekly questions!!!»
- Very good course, but it need still some work to become much better. It has all the potentials to become even better. »
- Good course, quite interesting»

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