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MPSTR-H&M 2010 (BOM145), BOM145

Status: Avslutad
Öppen för svar: 2011-01-24 - 2011-02-02
Antal svar: 37
Procent av deltagarna som svarat: 45%
Kontaktperson: Björn Engström»
Utbildningsprogram som genomför enkäten: Väg- och vattenbyggnad 300 hp

Your own effort

1. How many hours per week did you spend on this course?

We mean total time, that is, it comprises the time you spent in class and the time you spent on your own work. Try to estimate the average time per week over the entire study period.

37 svarande

At most 15 hours/week»14 37%
Around 20 hours/week»14 37%
Around 25 hours/week»9 24%
Around 30 hours/week»0 0%
At least 35 hours/week»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 1.86

- Unfortunately, the other parallell course (FEM Basics) took so much time that HME couldn"t be carried out as wanted.» (At most 15 hours/week)
- FEM took up all the time» (At most 15 hours/week)
- during this term (II), most of my time was spent in FEM basic - especially to understand the fem itself and by matlab.» (At most 15 hours/week)
- Hard to study because of lack of calculation assignments, the only ones available was from older exams» (Around 20 hours/week)
- i was in all lectures» (Around 20 hours/week)
- FEM basics took up most of my time» (Around 20 hours/week)
- The FEM-course took up most of the time in the beginning of this period which resulted in few hours for H&M initially and many hours the weeks before the exam» (Around 20 hours/week)

2. How large part of the teaching offered did you attend?

37 svarande

0%»0 0%
25%»6 16%
50%»3 8%
75%»19 51%
100%»9 24%

Genomsnitt: 3.83

- The "PowerPoint-lectures" isn"t (and hasn"t been) optimal for my personal studies, so I read the slides afterwards instead.» (25%)
- FEM took up all the time» (25%)
- It was more than 75%: approximately 90%» (75%)

Goals and goal fulfilment

The course syllabus states the course goals in terms of learning outcomes, i.e., knowledge, skills and attitudes to be acquired by the student during the course.

3. To what extent did you reach the following goal?

After the course the student should be able to evaluate heat and moisture conditions in air and materials with varying boundary conditions.

- 40%»
- 80%»
- not well»
- As the course material was not little I did not understand some main dependences between the different proccesses. They were not clearly explained. For example one problem should have been analyzed with different conditions, changing the parameters which affect it to see what is supposed to happen and how is it going to look like. Finnaly I misunderstood some moisture dependences and made wrong conclusions for the exam.»
- 80%»
- Quite well.»
- I think i did good»
- Clearly reached»
- 60-80%»
- I think I can evaluate them but not neccesiraly calculate it, but I think I understand most of it»
- to a sertain level (not completely)»
- 80%»
- Quite good I think. »
- pretty good»
- I had difficulties finding out the purpose of the cource. There was too many teachers involved and too many focus areas. I learned almost nothing about heat, but some about moisture.»
- general understanding»
- To some extent»
- I think I have reached most of the goal.»

4. To what extent did you reach the follwoing goal?

After the course the student should be able to determine and evaluate heat and moisture distributions in building materials exposed to different environments.

37 svarande

0-20%»0 0%
20-40%»1 2%
40-60%»14 37%
60-80%»18 48%
80-100%»4 10%

Genomsnitt: 3.67

- The examn was difficult and did not match the lectures in the course. (the lectures was more about, what to do about moisture problems & how to prevent moisture problems). I felt like I understood the lectures and not the examn.» (40-60%)
- bad lectures, no connection between different lecturers and unorganaized scheduele, terribly bad english in some cases» (60-80%)

5. To what extent did you reach the follwoing goal?

After the course the student should be able to critically evaluate different building materials and combinations of materials for their functional properties with regard to exposure of heat and moisture, including influence from degradation mechanisms.

37 svarande

0-20%»1 2%
20-40%»2 5%
40-60%»16 43%
60-80%»15 40%
80-100%»3 8%

Genomsnitt: 3.45

- learned from reading other litterature, not from lecture» (60-80%)

6. To what extent did you reach the following goal?

After the course the student should be able to design structures with respect to exposure for heat and moisture.

37 svarande

0-20%»0 0%
20-40%»6 16%
40-60%»17 45%
60-80%»9 24%
80-100%»5 13%

Genomsnitt: 3.35

- In what part of the course was that included aside from the fem-assignment» (40-60%)

7. To what extent have you reached the following goal?

After the course the student should be able to evaluate information about building materials to be exposed to heat and moisture, and communicate and discuss it both with experts and the public.

- 50%»
- 60%»
- ok»
- 70%»
- Probably sufficiently according to the course goal.»
- Yes»
- 90%»
- Somewhat reached»
- 60-80%»
- This goal is very good but I think that they I didn"t add much to my earlier knowledge»
- pretty okey»
- 80%»
- This was something that we didn"t practise that much. I would recommend to use more information from producers of materials, like folders and stuff that we likely would get in our professional life. You could have both bad and good examples.»
- okey»
- Hard to say. We have only been working with a very limited amount of materials (concrete, insulation & wood). »
- Not so much»
- I am not sure I can do this well.»

8. How understandable are the course goals?

36 svarande

The goals are difficult to understand»4 11%
The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer»18 50%
The goals clearly describe what I am supposed to learn»14 38%

Genomsnitt: 2.27

- I don"t remember them.» (?)
- The course goals are impossible to understand. There is no connection between the different lectures.» (The goals are difficult to understand)

9. Are the goals reasonable considering your background and the number of credits?

Answer this this question and the succeeding one, only if you do know the course goals.

36 svarande

No, the goals are set too low»3 8%
Yes, the goals seem reasonable»28 77%
No, the goals are set too high»5 13%

Genomsnitt: 2.05

- Rather have fewer goals and cover them better.» (No, the goals are set too high)
- I don´,t understand the goals. » (No, the goals are set too high)

10. Did the examination assess whether you have reached the goals?

35 svarande

No, not at all»5 14%
To some extent»16 45%
Yes, definitely»14 40%
I don"t know/have not been examined yet»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.25

- The exam was only calculations, there was two lectures with calculation which was not on the same level as the exam. » (No, not at all)
- Since there were many different aspects/theories/parts in the course, it"s hard to compose an exam that covers them all. In this case I guess the exam was quite extensive in that matter.» (Yes, definitely)

Teaching and course administration

11. To what extent have the lectures been of help for your learning?

36 svarande

Small extent»6 16%
Some extent»17 47%
Large extent»13 36%
Great extent»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.19

- the lectures was not helpfull. Waste of paper to allow all lecture notes but not have a good book which could be used instead. » (Small extent)
- I have very hard to learn when the lectures mainly consists of a teacher talking to power point. Because of my very short memory, my notes (that I hardly have time to wright down) doesn´,t make any sense the day after without other context. Even though the teacher is good, it never learn me anything, and this really shows (unfortunately) also when there arn´,t any course litterature..» (Small extent)
- Hard to understand when the lectures can"t speak english» (Small extent)
- Some of the lectures were really full with formulas and curves which are not so important for the main aim of the course and were too hard to be explained with just one brief presentation of the lecture material.» (Some extent)
- Indirect through handouts.» (Some extent)
- The lectures were not good enouhg, since there was no book in this course it was hard to get any extra knowledge and on the slides were very limited information. If teachers would have put their lecure notes on the webside that would have helped» (Some extent)

12. To what extent have the guest lectures been of help for your learning?

36 svarande

Small extent»18 50%
Some extent»12 33%
Large extent»5 13%
Great extent»1 2%

Genomsnitt: 1.69

- wasn´,t included on the exam at all» (Small extent)
- Did not attend any guest lectures.» (Small extent)
- Only good lecture was from a lady that works at Sp, she had two lectures» (Small extent)
- The lecture about, what fungus is? & 2 lectures about mold growth was not necessary. » (Small extent)

13. To what extent have the exercises been of help for your learing?

36 svarande

Small extent»5 13%
Some extent»16 44%
Large extent»11 30%
Great extent»4 11%

Genomsnitt: 2.38

- They could gave us exercises which are clearly solved and explained. But not like it was: we go to the teacher and he tell us not to solve some of the examples cause they are not properly formulated...» (Small extent)
- I do not like the method of the students sitting in a lecture theater doing calculation tasks which are then discussed. If this teaching method should be used the class should be divided and the a class room should be used instead of a lecture theater. The teaching speed could also have been increased in these sessions.» (Small extent)
- It was ok to do some exercises but they should be more like the examn. » (Small extent)
- Should have been many more, and of course should they be in a classroom so you could get proper help and room for all books and paper. Useless to have exercises in lecturehalls if it isn´,t a exercise where problems are solved on the blackboard.» (Some extent)
- Some were good, some weren"t.» (Some extent)
- it need more exs. i thinck we ned more we did not have så much ex.» (Some extent)
- Should have been a lot more!» (Some extent)
- Exercises are really important but were sometimes not really well done or explained.» (Large extent)

14. To what extent have the laborations (pratical and computer work) been ov help for your learing?

36 svarande

Small extent»8 22%
Some extent»19 52%
Large extent»8 22%
Great extent»1 2%

Genomsnitt: 2.05

- The computer programs were advanced and without proper guidance it is hard to know how to use it. Since they are in swedish it´,s up to the swedish students to work with the programs which is unfair to international students.» (Small extent)
- worthless» (Small extent)
- It was fun to try out these programs and see that they existed.» (Large extent)

15. To what extent has the project been of help for your learing?

36 svarande

Small extent»10 27%
Some extent»19 52%
Large extent»6 16%
Great extent»1 2%

Genomsnitt: 1.94

- Project seemed forced and uninspired» (Small extent)
- This project work not good, the groups were too big. All the groups had basicly sama project. I dont think it was a conincident that all the groups made the same error in the moisture program.» (Small extent)
- The was not a lot of focus on it. All groups made the same so the presentations were of no use. The time should be spend on calculating examn-exercises.» (Small extent)
- The project was given as a too open problem and it caused confusion in us (at least in the begining). For one project take part too many people and it is hard to divide the work. We tried to work together but at some stage it is impossible and the people who work are two or max three.» (Large extent)

16. To what extent has the the course literature and other material been of help for your learning?

36 svarande

Small extent»9 25%
Some extent»20 55%
Large extent»5 13%
Great extent»2 5%

Genomsnitt: 2

- the calculations that are dealt with on the exam isn´,t described in the book or in the hand outs. » (Small extent)
- This course needs better litterature» (Small extent)
- just confusing with 1000 pages of paper with no red line» (Small extent)
- Some of the needed formulas for the assigment 2 were only at the book "Building physics" which was not good for the people who could not afford to buy it.» (Some extent)
- Not much use for the course litterature» (Some extent)
- The lecture slides fron Tang were usefull and it is good that you use a book wich most students have allready.» (Some extent)

17. How well did the course administration, web page, handouts etc work?

36 svarande

Very badly»3 8%
Rather badly»4 11%
Rather well»19 52%
Very well»10 27%

Genomsnitt: 3

- The teachers did not know what other teachers had covered. Teachers put answers to excercises on the course web page that were not correct. Teachers did not agree on solutions (Bengd and Ingemar), one teacher came to classes without having prepered his lecture.» (Rather badly)
- If it is possible, it would be nice to get a mail that says if the exercises are past of failed.» (Very well)

Study climate

18. How were the opportunities for asking questions and getting help?

36 svarande

Very poor»2 5%
Rather poor»1 2%
Rather good»16 44%
Very good»12 33%
I did not seek help»5 13%

Genomsnitt: 3.47

- I think the teacher was very welcoming and good at answering questions. The fact that the examn-exercises was placed at the very end of the course made it more difficult to get help.» (Rather good)

19. How well has cooperation between you and your fellow students worked?

36 svarande

Very poorly»2 5%
Rather poorly»0 0%
Rather well»15 41%
Very well»19 52%
I did not seek cooperation»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.41

- It was very easy for students to skip some parts and still get the same grade as the ones who had to make the whole project, laboration and presentation. » (Very poorly)
- Some exchange students arent here to study» (Rather well)
- Some of them were too busy with other projects and courses but it was not so big problem.» (Very well)
- The group work went fine.» (Very well)

20. How was the course workload?

36 svarande

Too low»2 5%
Low»5 13%
Adequate»23 63%
High»6 16%
Too high»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.91

- As mentioned above, I couldn"t spend sufficient time on this course because of the other parallell course.» (Low)
- During the course it was fine. But still the examn was much too difficult and there should be more time for examination preparation.» (Adequate)
- because it was not clear what thing we are to study to exam » (High)

21. How was the total workload this study period?

36 svarande

Too low»0 0%
Low»1 2%
Adequate»11 30%
High»8 22%
Too high»16 44%

Genomsnitt: 4.08

- FEM-Basics was the main reason for that» (High)
- FEM mean a loot of work which leavs little time for this course. On the other hand you only needed a small effort to graduate from this course» (High)
- The FEM-course takes too much work, and having the exam on the first day of the examweek was too early. Didn"t have enough time to study for heat and moisture due to mandatory hand-ins in FEM.» (Too high)
- The FEM - Basics course alone seized around 40-50 hours every week, unfortunately.» (Too high)
- FEM took up all the time» (Too high)
- At least 60 hours a week was spent due to the abnormal workload in FEM basics» (Too high)
- The FEM-course was very difficult and labour-intense. Also the last project there which ended in the exam period took a lot of time from this course.» (Too high)
- Fem couse was very tough» (Too high)
- it really destroy for this course "heat and moisture", when we had f*cking much to do in "FEM basics". because you had never time to spend on this course» (Too high)
- The FEM-course takes all the time.» (Too high)
- FEM required too much time, therefore I felt forced to miss Heat and Moisture lecture very often in order to complete the FEM projects» (Too high)

22. To what extent were there connections between the two courses ("Heat and moisture engineering" and "Finite element method - basics") in this study period?

32 svarande

Very small extent»5 15%
Rather small extent»6 18%
Rather high extent»19 59%
Very high extent»2 6%

Genomsnitt: 2.56

- didn"t follow FEM» (?)
- I do not know because I did not attend FEM.» (?)
- I haven´,t take FEM» (?)
- The connection of the two courses in the project just made everything a lot more complicated than if we would have seperated the courses.» (Very small extent)
- The connection in the project turned out to be quite small since most of the time I/we spent on it focused on the FEM problems.» (Rather small extent)
- The idea about making a joint project is good. But it turned out that the project was only relevant for FEM. I think the Heat & moisture course should help the students evaluate the results and stuff like that. I did not learn anything about moisture from calculating on that bridge.» (Rather small extent)
- But again. FEM took up all the time» (Rather high extent)
- Quite cleverly done» (Rather high extent)
- you could pretty clear see the connections in project 1» (Rather high extent)

Summarizing questions

23. What is your general impression of the course?

35 svarande

Poor»8 22%
Fair»3 8%
Adequate»12 34%
Good»12 34%
Excellent»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.8

- And it´,s too bad since it´,s a subject that we need to focus on in Sweden.» (Poor)
- I would not recommand people to take this class.» (Poor)
- If given more time, I would probably have appreciated it more.» (Adequate)
- it was a good, intresting and an essential course, but it´,s a pitty I couldn´,t learn anything. this because of that evrything was depending on how good you are at learning by just hearing, and that´,s really unfair to people who have other kind of learning.» (Good)

24. What is the remaing value of the course in the future?

35 svarande

Very small»3 8%
Rather small»11 31%
Rahter high»19 54%
Very high»2 5%

Genomsnitt: 2.57

- This could and should be a loot higher. It is realy important things you learn» (Rather small)
- I believe it"s an important course.» (Rahter high)

25. What should definitely be preserved to next year?

- The good lectures with a lot of examples and problems from the real life.»
- The individual tasks.»
- may be more exercises»
- Labs and the general idea of the course.»
- Guest lectures were quite insightful»
- The class exercise work and project work should be kept like this year »
- the project/s were good and not to much»
- the lab work was really helping me to understand, especially about impementation of calculation in the real condition/sample..»
- The lecture from Bengt about typical moisture problems and how to fix them.»
- The connections between the two courses Heat and moisture engineering and Finite element method basics»
- the project work and the exercise of exmple problems shouuld be preserved»
- Exercises lectures»

26. What should definitely be changed to next year?

- The assignments were absolutly not helpful for the exam. We were not well-prepared for it. I passed it, but not with the highest grade and i would like to have the correction, in order to know where i was wrong.»
- - better exercises with examples of calculations that are dealt with on the exam - more specific project and better instructions on the computer programs used - higher level of english in the lectures and a clear connection between the theory and the calculations. - the laboratory work was included in earlier courses in the education, might be an idea to try something new to inspire and motivate the students instead of doing as it always been done before. »
- Change the date for the exam. It should be not exactly after the lecture week. The student need at least 3,4 day to prepare. It can be set up on monday, thuesday...»
- Since I didn"t attend most of the lectures, I couldn"t really judge them any way. Perhaps they could be less based on PowerPoint.»
- nothing lectures was good but we ned more materials to study for exam»
- Change the group work. New groups since you have worked with the same group for too long. New project since I didn"t really find the house from the last course fitting for this project.»
- Project work did not improve the course in any way.»
- Exam hour should be added»
- In my opinion there was not time enough to learn the computer programs. It this part of the course should remain it should be improved!»
- Less guest lectures. More time for practical problems like the ones on the exam.»
- Get a book for the course, if that is not possible then I suggest. Creating one handout for all the material from the course, that will definetly help the course. It could be good to reduce the number of teachers.»
- maybe introduce a course litterature, though I know it´,s hard to find one. But in that case you should do some compendium or similar, or have more structurize slides in power point»
- 1. Schedule. 2. The project group is not too usefull. But it"s good to have my group to discuss somethings. 3. I think add an individual homework is good, it will help student to get more understanding when they meet calculation problem. And get attention of student, because most of them had too focus in FEM basic course.»
- solutions to the answers is a must! »
- The guest lectures »
- lower the workload from the FEM course in order to have more time for Heat and Moisture»
- sorry, I am not sure about this.»
- Less guest lectures»

27. Additional comments

- Give the students more solved previous exams and try to prepare them for similar problems. After the exam organize one lecture and explain the given exercises, solve them and put a stress on the problems you have seen at their exam work. Try to make them to think during the semester, give similar tasks as for the exam and solve them the other day.»
- The course was very fuzzy. It was very difficult to grasp what it really was about. It should be more focused. And this evaluation should really had been done sooner after the course, then I had much to say.. now i"ve forgotten most of it.»
- the teachers was good and I liked that they were engaged over learning us»
- In my point of view, most of student spent their time in understand finite element method basic course and trapped in matlab code.. (it took lots of time) Teaching about heat moisture in class was good, student just need to do rehearsal again by their own after the class. In my case, this is my own foult I didn"t pass this course because I got problem with time management.»
- Less teachers would make the course much better. As it is now it is too difficult to overview the purpose and goals of the course.»

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