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0708-2 Object Oriented System Development, TDA592

Status: Avslutad
Öppen för svar: 2007-12-18 - 2008-01-27
Antal svar: 40
Procent av deltagarna som svarat: 38%
Kontaktperson: Samuel Bengmark»
Utbildningsprogram som genomför enkäten: Chalmers
Utbildningsprogram studenten tillhör: Informationsteknik 300 hp

Your own effort

1. How many hours per week did you spend on this course?

We mean total time, that is, it comprises the time you spent in class and the time you spent on your own work. Try to estimate the average time over the entire study period.

40 svarande

At most 15 hours/week» 9 22%

Around 20 hours/week» 15 37%

Around 25 hours/week» 11 27%

Around 30 hours/week» 3 7%

At least 35 hours/week» 2 5%

Genomsnitt: 2.35

- kinda thing of» (At most 15 hours/week)
- One really needs to study hard to pass this course» (At least 35 hours/week)

2. How large part of the teaching offered did you attend?

40 svarande

0%» 2 5%

25%» 4 10%

50%» 7 17%

75%» 13 32%

100%» 14 35%

Genomsnitt: 3.82

- I didn"t see any point attending any lectures when it"s impossible to hear what the man is saying. It"s just gibberish coming out from his mouth. Pointless. :-(» (0%)
- I did attend group meating etc of course but the lessons were really bad. The teacher is not understandable. Have to really focus to understand what he says. I believe he could be very good if he just could speak english. Seems like he have a good idea of how to do the lessons etc» (0%)
- Var på alla gruppövningar utom en. Var på en del föreläsningar i början av kursen, blev dock färre ju mer tiden gick. Även om jag kunde uppleva att föreläsningarna var av lite varierande kvalitet var nog den främsta anledningen fokus på en annan svårare kurs jag läste parallellt.» (50%)
- kinda thing of» (75%)
- Very good teaching» (75%)
- very good and general, could be good with some more specifik problem solving.» (100%)
- Almost 100%, lot more then 75 %» (100%)

Goals and goal fulfilment

The course syllabus states the course goals in terms of learning outcomes, i.e., knowledge, skills and attitudes to be acquired by the student during the course.

3. How understandable are the course goals?

40 svarande

I have not seen/read the goals» 14 35%

The goals are difficult to understand» 0 0%

The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer» 16 40%

The goals clearly describe what I am supposed to learn» 10 25%

Genomsnitt: 2.55

- kinda thing of» (I have not seen/read the goals)

4. Are the goals reasonable considering your background and the number of credits?

Answer this this question and the succeeding one, only if you do know the course goals.

28 svarande

No, the goals are set too low» 1 3%

Yes, the goals seem reasonable» 27 96%

No, the goals are set too high» 0 0%

Genomsnitt: 1.96

- Dunno, probably. Questionare lacks option for people who haven"t read the goals.» (?)
- Have not read the goals» (?)

5. Did the examination assess whether you have reached the goals?

35 svarande

No, not at all» 1 2%

To some extent» 12 34%

Yes, definitely» 7 20%

I don"t know/have not been examined yet» 15 42%

Genomsnitt: 3.02

- I thought that alot of things were left out in the examination. Some areas were overrepresented.» (To some extent)
- Way too much focus on interaction diagrams.» (To some extent)
- No patterns on exam, but thank you for containing the exam, I still ran out of time though.. Nice concept with a theme for the whole exam.» (To some extent)
- not enough time, last question should have been placed first» (To some extent)
- The exam was much too long. It was very hard to finnish the tasks on time.» (To some extent)
- Många av uppgifterna krävde mer tid än vad som gavs vid tentamen vilket var ett hinder om man behärskade alla moment och hade för avsikt att svara på alla frågor.» (To some extent)
- To broad, could be shortened» (To some extent)
- Very narrow exam. Should cover a larger part of the course with many small questions rather then like this time with 4? very big questions on the same topic.» (To some extent)
- the exam was however too long in relation to the time, i didn"t even have time to finish all questions and any kind of reviewing was out of the question. there was about 3 people who left before the time was up, I"ve never experienced anything like that.» (Yes, definitely)

Teaching and course administration

6. To what extent has the teaching been of help for your learning?

40 svarande

Small extent» 5 12%

Some extent» 18 45%

Large extent» 13 32%

Great extent» 4 10%

Genomsnitt: 2.4

- The group meetings was meaningful, although it would have been great to be able to understand Rogardt too.» (Small extent)
- Most time were spent trying to understand what the teacher really was saying. Don"t let someone who can"t speak english teach in english. The lectures held by Philipp Rümmer were very good.» (Some extent)
- The lectures could have been» (Some extent)
- Vissa föreläsningar kom först efter att man haft det momentet som en hemuppgift vilket var frustrerande och förvirrande.» (Some extent)
- Slides must be published on the web before the lecture for note taking etc» (Some extent)
- The supervisor wasn"t much of a help since he didn"t participate in our discussions nor could he answer any questions» (Some extent) (den här kommentaren har blivit redigerad i efterhand)
- kinda thing of» (Large extent)
- The tuthor been very helpful» (Large extent)
- seemed to genuinely want to help, which isn"t always the case in other courses, so thumbs up for that!» (Large extent)

7. To what extent has the the course literature and other material been of help for your learning?

39 svarande

Small extent» 18 46%

Some extent» 12 30%

Large extent» 9 23%

Great extent» 0 0%

Genomsnitt: 1.76

- Didnt buy the book» (?)
- none.» (Small extent)
- poor book, the slides was superior» (Small extent)
- not much use of the book» (Small extent)
- Använde ingen kursliteratur.» (Small extent)
- Do not buy the book» (Small extent)
- the lecture slides has been good.I havnt used the book. Not that good» (Some extent)
- Didnt buy the book, just looked at lecture notes» (Some extent)
- Just the slides, did not get the book.» (Large extent)
- The group project and home assignments have provided most help.» (Large extent)

8. How well did the course administration, web page, handouts etc work?

39 svarande

Very badly» 1 2%

Rather badly» 3 7%

Rather well» 28 71%

Very well» 7 17%

Genomsnitt: 3.05

- The slides were never published before the lecture and most often it took at least a day after before they were put up. During week 1 the slides that covered home assignment 1 weren"t availible until Sunday when deadline for the assignment was Monday.» (Very badly)
- Everything on one huge page, not very OO..» (Rather badly)
- Would be nice with a easier-to read style-sheet for the web page... but other than that it was quite okay.» (Rather well)
- Slides for the lectures were available AFTER they had been held» (Rather well)
- good with the interaction on lectures» (Rather well)
- The project where well organized and resulted in a reasonable workload.» (Rather well)
- Want my result sooner» (Rather well)
- kinda thing of» (Very well)

Study climate

9. How were the opportunities for asking questions and getting help?

39 svarande

Very poor» 1 2%

Rather poor» 5 12%

Rather good» 13 33%

Very good» 18 46%

I did not seek help» 2 5%

Genomsnitt: 3.38

- The tutor could not explain or communicate well» (Very poor) (den här kommentaren har blivit redigerad i efterhand)
- Well since Rogardt are very difficult to understand he wasn"t of much use, but the assistants were helpful and understandable.» (Rather poor)
- Supervisordid not answer any, he did know the answers. Rogardt was very pedagogical though and explained in a good understandable way!» (Rather poor) (den här kommentaren har blivit redigerad i efterhand)
- one only had opporunity at the tutorings and that was where the questions poped up also after tutor had left, kinda thing of» (Rather good)
- One deatil is that i sent question about exams that were wrongly linked. No answer and no fix. One person finally understood what the link should have been which was fortunate.» (Rather good)
- Our group tutor (Philipp Rümmer) was very good and could answer all our questions.» (Very good)
- Mycket bra handledarhjälp fanns tillgänglig.» (Very good)

10. How well has cooperation between you and your fellow students worked?

40 svarande

Very poorly» 0 0%

Rather poorly» 1 2%

Rather well» 13 32%

Very well» 26 65%

I did not seek cooperation» 0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.62

- kinda thing of» (Rather poorly)
- A group of 8 people is to much, some do all the work and others do none.» (Rather well)
- Next time, try not to make the groups to big» (Rather well)
- There are always issues with working in such large groups, but that has been very good to learn as well.» (Rather well)

11. How was the course workload?

40 svarande

Too low» 0 0%

Low» 0 0%

Adequate» 19 47%

High» 19 47%

Too high» 2 5%

Genomsnitt: 3.57

- kinda thing of» (Adequate)
- we were busy most of the time...» (Adequate)
- Maybe a tad bit too much with home assignments _and_ project stuff each week. » (High)
- No need to study for the exam as one had already learnt everything through the group project and the home assignments» (High)

12. How was the total workload this study period?

40 svarande

Too low» 0 0%

Low» 0 0%

Adequate» 13 32%

High» 15 37%

Too high» 12 30%

Genomsnitt: 3.97

- Very helpful, helped me understand the course in general» (Adequate)
- This course constituted 90% of the workload. If we would have had another course the workload would have been too high.» (High)
- I took two other courses so I guess I have myself to blame.» (Too high)
- Home assignments in both courses, project work and all other stuff was quite much. Maybe make the home assignments voluntary but with exam credits?» (Too high)
- This course together with Reglerteknik D is just too much. There are only 24h in a day and you do still need sleep.» (Too high)

Summarizing questions

13. What is your general impression of the course?

40 svarande

Poor» 1 2%

Fair» 8 20%

Adequate» 15 37%

Good» 15 37%

Excellent» 1 2%

Genomsnitt: 3.17

- Its actually kind of unneccesary. It could have been shorter perhaps? It´,s good to get an overview but in the same time this material is not used nowadays. Maybe in 10 years and then something else will be used i guess.» (Fair)
- Bad lecturer. Stopped going to the lectures due to difficulties understanding what he said and difficulties understanding the slides as they were often very cluttered.» (Fair)
- I hoped there would be a lot more focus on design patterns and architecture.» (Fair)
- Sometimes hard to understand what Rogardt said.» (Adequate)
- I would like to have more focus on design patterns and refactoring. And overall the course should cover less material. But thats really just my opinion and others may disagree. I think the project was very good, well organized and a good way to learn the concepts. The subject however (taxi-project), even though surely a very suitable project because everyone knows the domain farely well, should be changed to something more inspiring and fun I think! It lasts 6 weeks.» (Adequate)
- Quite nice but could improve.» (Adequate)
- The course is very interesting.» (Good)
- it was intresting. made you hungry for more developing!» (Good)
- The area of software engineering has become interesting again (after the HCI course).» (Good)
- Really good course! interesting with a real good examinator» (Good)
- Roghardt is a really good teacher and he put a lot of effort to make a really good course» (Excellent)

14. What should definitely be preserved to next year?

- Correcting home assignments.»
- Home assignments»
- the project»
- weakly groupassignment»
- The project, taxi of another don"t matter but it was a good practice and a natural way to apply all techniques as we have learned.»
- Philipp Rümmer»
- Homeass and project is actually a good form. »
- Everything»
- The home- and project assignments»
- Philipp Rümmer, who is a very good tutor and teacher.»
- The project and home assignment.»
- Project work»
- The home assignments and the project»
- - interaction on lectures - project - home assignments»
- the home assignments»
- home assigments»
- The project.»
- Exercises»
- Project assignment»
- Shorter exam, better handledare till next year. The asian guy was not good at all. He spoke very poorly english, couldn"t follow us in our review group discussion, he had problems to understand english. He also wasn"t very good for helping. It seemed like he didn"t know much himself. The poorly spoken english is also a very huge problem for both us and him.»
- Project, project hours.»
- The assignments.»
- Grupparbetet och hemuppgifterna var mycket givande.»
- The project assignment»
- The project»
- Rogardt Heldal»
- The project and group meetings with TA»

15. What should definitely be changed to next year?

- Slides beforehand!!! Smaller groups and more scheduled time for the group project.»
- Rogardt (well his pronunciation at least).»
- Teacher speaking better english»
- there should be assigned time slots on the schedule for the project, there is very hard to find times that 8 ppl can eork together..»
- Less intense home assignments, the correction often took too much valuable time from the group meeting. If they were less intense you could require a shorter time limit, and thus giving us a chance for correcting them before the meeting.»
- I don"t know»
- Lighten the workload, you dont need both home assignments and the project.»
- The teachers language skills»
- Focus on whats important, not some academical mumbo jumbo like what OCL is. The course book states the following: "Unless there is a compelling practical reason to require people to learn and use the OCL, keep things simple and use natural language. Although I"m sure there are real and useful applications, I"ve never seen a project that used OCL, even though I visit many clients and projects." Thus the following question is in the right place: WHY ON EARTH are we learning OCL? It"s obviously something we will NEVER USE in the industry. If it was just mentioned in a lecture or so it would be OK but to demand that we learn it and having it included in the examination is just bull shit.»
- Remove the parts about patterns and frameworks. This belongs to another course.»
- An exam that takes up morse parts of the course. »
- Week assignments could be incorporated into the project work to reduce the workload.»
- more focus on how to make good designs! not just show how to represent designs with the help of diagrams..»
- the web page could need a face lift»
- Change the domain and subject of the project.»
- More project meetings with a Tutor.»
- Home Assignment»
- Better english speaking handledare.»
- A shorter exam which doesn"t only just test the skil of drawing sequenze diagrams. Question 3 took me four pages of sequenze diagrams to draw - and I didn"t have time to finish.»
- Mindre grupper till projektet än i år, i gruppen jag var med i var vi runt 8 personer. Mycket lätt hänt att medlemmar kände att de var överflödiga och gjorde annat som inte hade med kursen att göra. Hemuppgifterna bör på något sätt struktureras om. Antingen att ett bra resultat kan ge bonuspoäng på tentamen, eller att ett dåligt resultat kan ge retur. Incitatment för att inte bara kasta ihop något utan försök att faktiskt lära sig saknades ibland sedan det var lätt hänt att man upplevde att det inte spelade någon större roll.»
- The exam. Make it shorter so that we can finish the whole exam in time...»
- .»
- Some of the supervisors on the group meeting..»
- Some practical implementation of the taxi sys would be nice. LIke the IT02-04 did.»
- assistant» (den här kommentaren har blivit redigerad i efterhand)

16. Additional comments

- "Müüdel"»
- Seeing that the taxi project covered most if not all of the course, to me the home assignment seemed more of a way of deepening into a area. So making them optional and instead adding a possibility of a few bonus points for the exam would only seem fair.»
- I understand why whe read the course even if it is many moments which are really unmotivated (like interaction diagram - who will need them, who will understand them?). Perhaps this course could be shrinked to a little moment in some other course. like 1,5 p lab or something»
- Comments for future students: don"t attend the lectures, read the book instead. The book is great, the lectures are not.»
- Some of the tutors had very little knowledge or couldn"t speak english very well and therefore couldn"t help the groups as much as wanted.»
- Sometimes very hard to understand Rogardt Heldal even harder to understand Phu H. Phung more feedback on the project turnins each week»
- As many are sceptical about the actucal benefit of taking the time to do this kind of modelling I think it should be emphasized even more when and why to use each concept. I think you did that too some extent but it could be done more. I myself have used some of the concepts in an pre-study I made for a company in the clinical research area during taking this course and it helped me alot. It made me really get a concrete view of their process and concepts and facilitated the communication with the client.»
- Very good course, keep the good work up! Opened my eyes for continuous courses and UML in general.»

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