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Electronic system design project, Lp4 Vt09, DAT095

Status: Avslutad
Öppen för svar: 2009-05-18 - 2009-06-03
Antal svar: 29
Procent av deltagarna som svarat: 15%
Kontaktperson: Åsa Lundgren»


Your Background

1. My study background is:

29 svarande

Chalmers civilingenjör programme - Electrical Engineering»4 13%
Chalmers civilingenjör programme - Computer Engineering»2 6%
Chalmers civilingenjör - other programme»1 3%
Chalmers högskoleingenjör programme - Electrical Engineering»1 3%
Chalmers högskoleingenjör programme - Computer Engineering»0 0%
Chalmers högskoleingenjör - other programme»0 0%
Other Swedish civilingenjör programme»0 0%
Other Swedish högskoleingenjör programme»0 0%
Foreign university - Electrical Engineering»15 51%
Foreign university - Computer Engineering»3 10%
Foreign university - other programme»3 10%
Other (explain below)»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 7.34

- Electronics Engineering» (Foreign university - other programme)

2. What type of team were you a member of?

29 svarande

Analog»15 51%
Digital»14 48%

Genomsnitt: 1.48

3. (For digital-team members only): Grade your own competence at the beginning of the course

Matrisfråga

Software (C-programming)
14 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Less than sufficient»3 21%
Sufficient»3 21%
More than sufficient»3 21%
Good»5 35%

Genomsnitt: 3.71

Hardware FPGA
15 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Less than sufficient»4 26%
Sufficient»3 20%
More than sufficient»3 20%
Good»5 33%

Genomsnitt: 3.6

Hardware ASIC
15 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Less than sufficient»4 26%
Sufficient»11 73%
More than sufficient»0 0%
Good»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.73

4. (For analog-team memebers only): Grade your own competence, at the beginning of the course

Matrisfråga

Analog design
15 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Less than sufficient»2 13%
Sufficient»9 60%
More than sufficient»3 20%
Good»1 6%

Genomsnitt: 3.2

Digital design (transistor level)
15 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Less than sufficient»2 13%
Sufficient»6 40%
More than sufficient»4 26%
Good»3 20%

Genomsnitt: 3.53

AD conversion
15 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Less than sufficient»4 26%
Sufficient»8 53%
More than sufficient»3 20%
Good»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.93

Cadence schematic entry
15 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Less than sufficient»1 6%
Sufficient»6 40%
More than sufficient»5 33%
Good»3 20%

Genomsnitt: 3.66

Cadence circuit simulation
15 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Less than sufficient»3 20%
Sufficient»5 33%
More than sufficient»5 33%
Good»2 13%

Genomsnitt: 3.4


Your own effort

5. How many hours per week did you spend on this course?

We mean total time, that is, it comprises the time you spent in class and the time you spent on your own work. Try to estimate the average time over the entire study period.

29 svarande

At most 15 hours/week»2 6%
Around 20 hours/week»10 34%
Around 25 hours/week»3 10%
Around 30 hours/week»9 31%
At least 35 hours/week»5 17%

Genomsnitt: 3.17

- A lot» (At least 35 hours/week)

6. How was your workload divided over the two periods?

29 svarande

Rather evenly over both study periods»10 34%
More work in period 3 but rather evenly in each period»4 13%
More work in period 4 but rather evenly in each period»5 17%
Most work at the end of the two periods»7 24%
Most work at the end of period 4»3 10%
Other (pls explain below)»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.62

- more in sp 4» (Most work at the end of the two periods)

7. How large part of the teaching offered did you attend?

29 svarande

0%»0 0%
25%»1 3%
50%»3 10%
75%»11 37%
100%»14 48%

Genomsnitt: 4.31

8. How many courses other than tis one did you take in period 3 and period 4?

Matrisfråga

Period 3?
29 svarande

0 0%
19 65%
10 34%
Other (explain below)»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.34

Period 4?
28 svarande

1 3%
22 78%
5 17%
Other (explain below)»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.14


Goals and goal fulfilment

The course syllabus states the course goals in terms of learning outcomes, i.e., knowledge, skills and attitudes to be acquired by the student during the course.

9. How understandable are the course goals?

29 svarande

I have not seen/read the goals»2 6%
The goals are difficult to understand»0 0%
The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer»11 37%
The goals clearly describe what I am supposed to learn»16 55%

Genomsnitt: 3.41

10. Are the goals reasonable considering your background and the number of credits?

Answer this this question and the succeeding one, only if you do know the course goals.

29 svarande

No, the goals are set too low»3 10%
Yes, the goals seem reasonable»24 82%
No, the goals are set too high»2 6%

Genomsnitt: 1.96

- An abstract is provided and then it is expected that we"ll get a chip at the end.» (No, the goals are set too high)

11. Did the examination assess whether you have reached the goals?

29 svarande

No, not at all»2 6%
To some extent»4 13%
Yes, definitely»19 65%
I don"t know/have not been examined yet»4 13%

Genomsnitt: 2.86

- I believe that not every person in my group had a sufficient understanding of the design.» (No, not at all)
- We has working prototype for the Fpga and a report. ASIC part has lot of testing involve that checks the reliabilty of chip and report which states the results. » (Yes, definitely)
- no exam» (I don"t know/have not been examined yet)


Teaching and course administration

12. To what extend has the teaching (including lab teaching) been of help for your learning?

29 svarande

Small extent»2 6%
Some extent»11 37%
Large extent»12 41%
Great extent»4 13%

Genomsnitt: 2.62

- Lena is very helpful and good at explaining things but unfortunately also very busy.» (Great extent)

13. What is your opinion of the size of the project task?

27 svarande

Much too small»0 0%
Somewhat small»8 29%
Somewhat large»14 51%
Much too large»4 14%
Don"t know»1 3%

Genomsnitt: 2.92

- Adequate » (?)
- good» (?)
- It depends a lot of the other members of the group.» (Somewhat large)

14. Was the project group size appropriate for the project task?

29 svarande

Too small team for project task»0 0%
Reasonable match»24 82%
Too large team for project task»5 17%
Don"t know»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.17

- Five persons for the analog team is a bit too much.» (Reasonable match)
- I think 4 persons was good» (Reasonable match)
- 4 members each team is the best match, I think.» (Too large team for project task)

15. How did you find the level of detail of the project specification?

29 svarande

Much too vague»3 10%
Somewhat too vague»7 24%
Reasonable»17 58%
Somewhat too detailed»1 3%
Much too detailed»0 0%
Don"t know»1 3%

Genomsnitt: 2.68

- inputs and outputs cant be specified detailed enough!» (Somewhat too vague)
- Some more guidance for the analog teams would be good.» (Reasonable)

16. How do you rate the level of challenge you experienced in the project work?

29 svarande

Very low level»1 3%
Low level»3 10%
Medium level»11 37%
High level»13 44%
Very high level»1 3%

Genomsnitt: 3.34

17. Did you find the level of challenge that you experienced appropriate in a project like this one?

29 svarande

Too low»5 17%
OK»24 82%
Too high»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 1.82

- Ok for me but not for all group members.» (OK)
- a bit low» (OK)

18. (For digital-team members only): How was your experience using the following EDA tools?

Matrisfråga

- Left soc to the others»

EDK
14 svarande

Very Poor»0 0%
Poor»1 7%
OK»4 28%
Good»7 50%
Excellent»2 14%
Don"t know»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.71

Virtex-II Pro FPGA prototype card
14 svarande

Very Poor»0 0%
Poor»0 0%
OK»1 7%
Good»10 71%
Excellent»3 21%
Don"t know»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 4.14

ModelSim
14 svarande

Very Poor»0 0%
Poor»0 0%
OK»1 7%
Good»8 57%
Excellent»5 35%
Don"t know»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 4.28

Xilinx ISE FPGA P&R tool
14 svarande

Very Poor»0 0%
Poor»0 0%
OK»3 21%
Good»8 57%
Excellent»3 21%
Don"t know»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 4

RTL compiler
14 svarande

Very Poor»1 7%
Poor»0 0%
OK»5 35%
Good»5 35%
Excellent»3 21%
Don"t know»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.64

SOC Encounter
14 svarande

Very Poor»2 14%
Poor»0 0%
OK»7 50%
Good»4 28%
Excellent»1 7%
Don"t know»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.14

ncsim
14 svarande

Very Poor»1 7%
Poor»0 0%
OK»6 42%
Good»4 28%
Excellent»3 21%
Don"t know»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.57

19. (For analog-team members only): How was your experience using the following EDA tools?

Matrisfråga

- Cadence is a bit buggy and lengthy.»

Cadence Viruoso schematic entry
15 svarande

Very Poor»0 0%
Poor»0 0%
OK»5 33%
Good»5 33%
Excellent»5 33%
Don"t know»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 4

Cadence Viruoso simulation interface to Spectre
15 svarande

Very Poor»0 0%
Poor»1 6%
OK»4 26%
Good»7 46%
Excellent»3 20%
Don"t know»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.8

Cadence Virtuoso Layout and verification (DRC, LVS)
15 svarande

Very Poor»1 6%
Poor»4 26%
OK»2 13%
Good»4 26%
Excellent»3 20%
Don"t know»1 6%

Genomsnitt: 3.46

20. (For digital-team members only): To what extent has these labs/material been of help for your in your project?

Matrisfråga

- Lab PM from Methodes »

EDK lab1
14 svarande

Small extent»0 0%
Some extent»5 35%
Large extent»7 50%
Great extent»2 14%

Genomsnitt: 2.78

EDK lab2
14 svarande

Small extent»0 0%
Some extent»5 35%
Large extent»7 50%
Great extent»2 14%

Genomsnitt: 2.78

RC/Encounter/HCMOS) ASIC flow quik guide
13 svarande

Small extent»0 0%
Some extent»7 53%
Large extent»5 38%
Great extent»1 7%

Genomsnitt: 2.53

Other
10 svarande

Small extent»1 10%
Some extent»4 40%
Large extent»4 40%
Great extent»1 10%

Genomsnitt: 2.5

21. (For analog-team members only): To what extent has these labs/material been of help for your in your project?

Matrisfråga

- Maloberti is a good complement for Abo.»

Cadence Lab 1,2,3 (Schematic entry, Similation and Layout and vericiation)
15 svarande

Small extent»1 6%
Some extent»1 6%
Large extent»9 60%
Great extent»4 26%

Genomsnitt: 3.06

Razavi
15 svarande

Small extent»2 13%
Some extent»7 46%
Large extent»5 33%
Great extent»1 6%

Genomsnitt: 2.33

Other books
15 svarande

Small extent»1 6%
Some extent»7 46%
Large extent»7 46%
Great extent»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.4

Abo
15 svarande

Small extent»0 0%
Some extent»1 6%
Large extent»9 60%
Great extent»5 33%

Genomsnitt: 3.26

Other reports
14 svarande

Small extent»2 14%
Some extent»7 50%
Large extent»4 28%
Great extent»1 7%

Genomsnitt: 2.28

Other scientific papers
15 svarande

Small extent»1 6%
Some extent»4 26%
Large extent»8 53%
Great extent»2 13%

Genomsnitt: 2.73

22. How well did the course administration, web page, handouts etc work?

29 svarande

Very badly»0 0%
Rather badly»1 3%
Rather well»19 65%
Very well»9 31%

Genomsnitt: 3.27

- some stuff from sp3 disapeared in sp4» (Rather well)
- Pingpong is a good platform.» (Very well)
- Lena you rock!!!» (Very well)

23. How well did the planning, such as the scheduling of deadlines hand-ins etc work for you?

29 svarande

Very badly»0 0%
Rather badly»6 20%
Rather well»15 51%
Very well»8 27%

Genomsnitt: 3.06

- The schematic design deadline is a bit harsh.» (Rather badly)
- Not all to well. It was a bit heavy sometimes» (Rather badly)

24. Would you have preferred that the different teams had different project tasks (under the constraint that there would not be more resources for the course overall)?

28 svarande

No»10 35%
Yes»9 32%
Don"t know»9 32%

Genomsnitt: 1.96

- One learn so much more when you can discuss the assignment between groups» (No)
- it"s better to make the competition between teams like this» (No)
- Had been more fun» (Yes)
- It could be a good thing to assign certain parts of the schematic (for instance the amplifier) to a group member and then arrange a meeting with the members of the other groups so that they can discuss the difficulties of the design together.» (Don"t know)

25. There has been requests for more lectures on related topics. This year there were only a few. Here are some suggestions for topics one could include. Mark the ones that would interest you

29 svarande

(på denna fråga var det möjligt att välja flera svarsalternativ)

Research-related lectures»17 58%
Industry-related lectures»15 51%
Electrical issues, such as EMC»11 37%
Packaging»8 27%
High-level issues, such as system integration»16 55%
Efficient coding styles in VHDL»15 51%
Regulations and standards for electronic products»5 17%
VHDL code reuse»13 44%
Design for efficient production»11 37%
Software-hardware codesign»19 65%

- A lecture where the basics of differential circuits and how to "think" about then would be great. » ()
- verilog a could be introduced» (Research-related lectures, High-level issues, such as system integration, Efficient coding styles in VHDL, Software-hardware codesign)


Study climate

26. How were the opportunities for asking questions and getting help?

29 svarande

Very poor»0 0%
Rather poor»2 6%
Rather good»15 51%
Very good»12 41%
I did not seek help»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.34

27. How well has cooperation between you and your fellow students worked?

29 svarande

Very poorly»0 0%
Rather poorly»3 10%
Rather well»10 34%
Very well»16 55%
I did not seek cooperation»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.44

- Some group members lacked the required prerequisites and others was very hard to work with since they didn"t answer mails or show up in time for the meetings.» (Rather poorly)

28. How was the course workload?

29 svarande

Too low»0 0%
Low»2 6%
Adequate»12 41%
High»13 44%
Too high»2 6%

Genomsnitt: 3.51

29. How was the total workload for you in the period 3 and period 4?

Matrisfråga

Period 3?
29 svarande

Too low»0 0%
Low»0 0%
Adequate»13 44%
High»12 41%
Too high»4 13%

Genomsnitt: 3.68

Period 4?
29 svarande

Too low»0 0%
Low»0 0%
Adequate»11 37%
High»15 51%
Too high»3 10%

Genomsnitt: 3.72


Summarizing questions

30. What is your general impression of the course?

29 svarande

Poor»1 3%
Fair»1 3%
Adequate»5 17%
Good»16 55%
Excellent»6 20%

Genomsnitt: 3.86

- The prerequisites must be more well controlled. A revised version of the agenda in "Introduction to Communication Engineering" would help a lot to keep track of how well each member reaches the goals. Also, shared log books would help a lot.» (Fair)

31. What should definitely be preserved to next year?

- The flow between phase 1 and phase 2 must keep. In phase 1 the design must be tested in FPGA and in phase 2 design must be implemented with ASIC. »
- FPGA base system Design ASIC design»
- The system where the student is forced to find most of the answers to the design issues him self in papers etc. »
- Lena with her abstract style!!!»
- general it"s ok»
- project specification»
- The project groups are intentionally mixed up with Swedish students and International students, this is the best part that we finally had a very good chance to work together with Swedish students, exchange our experience and thoughts, even become friends. This is great!! »
- All of step should be preserved, because very important for practical experience.»
- seems to be good wat they have igven during the project»

32. What should definitely be changed to next year?

- subject must be changed.»
- asic ohase should be shifted a litte bit back in quarter 3»
- much clear Specfications needed.»
- number of member in a team: should be at most 4 the relation between phase 1 and phase 2 need to be better: some parts of the design can"t be used or have to change when in phase 2 due to the difference in system specification between 2 phases!»
- project schedual»
- At the beginning of Q4, it wasn"t schedule quite well. a few weeks wasted on thinking about how to modify the spec from phase 1 then adapted to ASIC. I think this arrangement between phase 1 and phase 2 should be done earier, then the test group can have more time working on the test-benches and everything would not be pushed to the deadline so hard. The spec of phase 1.c does not really make sense. We didn"t really understand why we have to convert all c-coded user interface down to VHDL, Which is also useless in phase 2. »
- I think at beginning of the project that teach should explain more detail to students, because maybe some of them never do the work like this leading them hardly starting.»
- the feedback, improvement and how a particular team is processing should be come to act as soon as possible so that they can know what the team is facing»

33. Additional comments

- The subject could be more interesting like designing a very basic cpu. CPU could read the instructions and data from a outside chip so the task could be designing the most efficient pipeline structure. That would be more interesting and students would learn much about computer architecture.»


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