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Methods for electronic system design and verification, 2008, DAT110, MPIES HT2008

Status: Avslutad
Öppen för svar: 2008-12-12 - 2009-01-24
Antal svar: 40
Procent av deltagarna som svarat: 71%
Kontaktperson: Lena Peterson»

My background:

1. My study background is:

40 svarande

Chalmers civilingenjör programme - Electrical Engineering»7 17%
Chalmers civilingenjör programme - Computer Engineering»2 5%
Chalmers civilingenjör - other programme»1 2%
Chalmers högskoleingenjör programme - Electrical Engineering»0 0%
Chalmers högskoleingenjör programme - Computer Engineering»0 0%
Chalmers högskoleingenjör - other programme»0 0%
Other Swedish civilingenjör programme»0 0%
Other Swedish högskoleingenjör programme»0 0%
Foreign university - Electrical Engineering»20 50%
Foreign university - Computer Engineering»6 15%
Foreign university - other programme»2 5%
Other (explain below)»2 5%

Genomsnitt: 7.5

- Chalmers civilingenjör programme - Automation and Mechatronics» (Other (explain below))
- Foreign university - electronical programme» (Other (explain below))

2. I am currently enrolled in this master programme:

40 svarande

Integrated Electronic System Design»37 92%
Other Chalmers master programme»1 2%
Not enrolled in master programme»2 5%

Genomsnitt: 1.12

3. Grade your own competence, when entering this course


- 4 page limit was the real challenge, I could never be sure whether the cover page was included or not.»

VHDL (or HDL in general)
40 svarande

Poor»3 7%
Less than sufficient»4 10%
Sufficient»24 60%
More than sufficient»3 7%
Good»6 15%

Genomsnitt: 3.12

Practical handling of the Linux environment
40 svarande

Poor»7 17%
Less than sufficient»14 35%
Sufficient»13 32%
More than sufficient»3 7%
Good»3 7%

Genomsnitt: 2.52

Discrete mathematics (especially graph theory and optimization)
40 svarande

Poor»7 17%
Less than sufficient»13 32%
Sufficient»15 37%
More than sufficient»2 5%
Good»3 7%

Genomsnitt: 2.52

Basic logic design
40 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Less than sufficient»4 10%
Sufficient»16 40%
More than sufficient»8 20%
Good»12 30%

Genomsnitt: 3.7

Computer organization
40 svarande

Poor»0 0%
Less than sufficient»8 20%
Sufficient»15 37%
More than sufficient»10 25%
Good»7 17%

Genomsnitt: 3.4

Oral presentation
40 svarande

Poor»2 5%
Less than sufficient»10 25%
Sufficient»15 37%
More than sufficient»11 27%
Good»2 5%

Genomsnitt: 3.02

Written presentation
39 svarande

Poor»1 2%
Less than sufficient»7 17%
Sufficient»14 35%
More than sufficient»12 30%
Good»5 12%

Genomsnitt: 3.33

Your own effort

4. How many hours per week did you spend on this course?

We mean total time, that is, it comprises the time you spent in class and the time you spent on your own work. Try to estimate the average time over the entire study period.

39 svarande

At most 15 hours/week»4 10%
Around 20 hours/week»8 20%
Around 25 hours/week»18 46%
Around 30 hours/week»7 17%
At least 35 hours/week»2 5%

Genomsnitt: 2.87

5. How large part of the teaching offered did you attend?

40 svarande

0%»0 0%
25%»2 5%
50%»5 12%
75%»23 57%
100%»10 25%

Genomsnitt: 4.02

- Overslept the rest!» (75%)
- Actually maybe I skipped one student presentation slot.» (100%)

Goals and goal fulfilment

The course syllabus states the course goals in terms of learning outcomes, i.e., knowledge, skills and attitudes to be acquired by the student during the course.

6. How understandable are the course goals?

39 svarande

I have not seen/read the goals»1 2%
The goals are difficult to understand»2 5%
The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer»15 38%
The goals clearly describe what I am supposed to learn»21 53%

Genomsnitt: 3.43

7. How helpful are the detailed learning objectives in each of the four lab exercises?

40 svarande

Small extent»1 2%
Some extent»7 17%
Large extent»21 52%
Great extent»11 27%

Genomsnitt: 3.05

8. Are the goals reasonable considering your background and the number of credits?

Answer this this question and the succeeding one, only if you do know the course goals.

38 svarande

No, the goals are set too low»2 5%
Yes, the goals seem reasonable»33 86%
No, the goals are set too high»3 7%

Genomsnitt: 2.02

9. Did the examination assess whether you have reached the goals?

39 svarande

No, not at all»4 10%
To some extent»15 38%
Yes, definitely»13 33%
I don"t know/have not been examined yet»7 17%

Genomsnitt: 2.58

- It was the our first experience in writing paper and it just assessed our writing ability not our learning outcomes. » (No, not at all)
- The examination form of writing reports, i think, clearly shows how much I as a student have been able to understand.» (Yes, definitely)
- There is no exam» (I don"t know/have not been examined yet)

Teaching and course administration

10. To what extent has the teaching been of help for your learning?

40 svarande

Small extent»6 15%
Some extent»11 27%
Large extent»17 42%
Great extent»6 15%

Genomsnitt: 2.57

- Very good lectures.» (Great extent)

11. To what extent have the lectures provided the engineering context of the course subject matter?

40 svarande

Small extent»3 7%
Some extent»14 35%
Large extent»18 45%
Great extent»5 12%

Genomsnitt: 2.62

- More so than most other courses.» (Great extent)

12. To what extent have the lab exercises provided hands-on training on the course subject matter??

40 svarande

Small extent»2 5%
Some extent»6 15%
Large extent»16 40%
Great extent»16 40%

Genomsnitt: 3.15

- The labseries where great and I learned very much from it.» (Great extent)
- Very good idea to take a simple design through the entire design flow.» (Great extent)

13. What is your opinion on the supervision during lab sessions?

40 svarande

Poor»2 5%
Less than sufficient»3 7%
Sufficient»17 42%
More than sufficient»8 20%
Good»10 25%

Genomsnitt: 3.52

- The TA where very helpful and took the time to answer the questions and made sure that I understood the answer.» (More than sufficient)
- The assistants were always there when there is a problem with a good/correct answer.» (Good)

14. To what extent has the term paper work provided an in-depth study of an interesting and relevant area?

40 svarande

Small extent»3 7%
Some extent»7 17%
Large extent»20 50%
Great extent»10 25%

Genomsnitt: 2.92

- However I wish there were more topics on the analog side.» (Great extent)

15. To what extent has the training of written and oral presentation been useful?

39 svarande

Small extent»4 10%
Some extent»11 28%
Large extent»18 46%
Great extent»6 15%

Genomsnitt: 2.66

- I did the Term paper the same way I always do these stuff, which is chaotic.» (Small extent)
- As a Chalmers student, I am used to presentations like these, but practice is good.» (Some extent)

16. To what extent has the the course literature and other material been of help for your learning?

39 svarande

Small extent»5 12%
Some extent»14 35%
Large extent»14 35%
Great extent»6 15%

Genomsnitt: 2.53

- Some of the things mentioned in my chapter of the book "Design for Test" were simply too rich for my blood!» (Some extent)
- The books are very successful as they have the fundamental information about the topics.» (Great extent)

17. How well did the course administration, web page, handouts etc work?

40 svarande

Very badly»2 5%
Rather badly»3 7%
Rather well»18 45%
Very well»17 42%

Genomsnitt: 3.25

- Prefer student portal than other homepage» (Rather badly)
- Webpage need to be more organized like we had in intro course and digital IC course» (Rather well)
- Would have been better if the documents could be reached from outside the Chalmers network.» (Rather well)
- the protected folder isn"t the best system if you have students that want to work from home. A password might be prefered.» (Rather well)

Study climate

18. How were the opportunities for asking questions and getting help?

39 svarande

Very poor»2 5%
Rather poor»1 2%
Rather good»11 28%
Very good»25 64%
I did not seek help»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.51

- Excellent. I"ve become a die hard fan of Prof.Pers!!!!!» (Very good)

19. How well has cooperation between you and your fellow students worked?

40 svarande

Very poorly»1 2%
Rather poorly»5 12%
Rather well»15 37%
Very well»19 47%
I did not seek cooperation»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 3.3

- My lab partner was good. However my partner for the term paper just copy/paste the writings from the course book and called it "report". So I had to rewrite the whole thing in a small amount of time.» (Rather poorly)
- not very good team work, but it"s personal only. little communication between us.» (Rather poorly)
- I"m not a good manager for sure, nor were the guys working with me. The thing just progressed haphazardly (in my opinion of course).» (Rather poorly)
- A lot of interesting discussions arouse in connection to the labs.» (Very well)

20. How was the course workload?

40 svarande

Too low»0 0%
Low»3 7%
Adequate»22 55%
High»14 35%
Too high»1 2%

Genomsnitt: 3.32

21. How was the total workload this study period?

40 svarande

Too low»1 2%
Low»3 7%
Adequate»19 47%
High»14 35%
Too high»3 7%

Genomsnitt: 3.37

- The number of classes were rather high in this study period.» (High)

Summarizing questions

22. What is your general impression of the course?

40 svarande

Poor»5 12%
Fair»3 7%
Adequate»10 25%
Good»15 37%
Excellent»7 17%

Genomsnitt: 3.4

- It has some good goals and its style challenged our knowledge and term paper motivated me to search and study but I think the way our paper and lab report have been assessed was wrong. » (Fair)
- The course content can be improved to a higher level. I guess all students in this program should have learned about ASIC design flow and about the tools and their algorithms before their master level studies.» (Good)
- very good for teamwork practice.» (Good)
- The course provided good practical knowledge on how the design flow works and emphasized things that has not been talked about before, like the importance of good methods for verification.» (Excellent)

23. What should definitely be preserved to next year?

- term paper and lab organization»
- Using more examples rather than overall stories.»
- The labs»
- Labs»
- a) Labs b) Term Paper »
- the lab exercises that follow the flow of the asic design»
- The labseries»
- oral presentation and term paper»
- Everything except webpage.»
- lab work»
- lab session and oral presentation»
- The Lab and the lab report.»
- The lab series and the term papers.»
- The general aim of the course is really good but I guess it would better if the aim is kept while adding more advanced information. The presentations are also good for people seeking a more detailed knowledge about a topic.»
- labs, termpaper, presentation.»
- I like lab, oral presentation, and paper which need to hand in. They are very helpful.»
- oral presentation, lab session.»
- Term paper and lab »
- The labs of course.»
- Term Paper and Presentation»

24. What should definitely be changed to next year?

- somehow the term paper presentations were not that inclusive. it ofcourse depends on students, but may be something can be done to get all the students to all the presentations and get them to read the presentation ppts before coming to the presentation»
- The content of lectures were so overall that should be changed,also reports of each lab should be considered after each lab session and feedback to the students. »
- Maybe changer the labs after the first labs so that there is some kind of preparatory assignment. This i think would make the labs go quicker since you are more familiar with what to do and what goes on.»
- reconsideration of the course workload»
- webpage»
- the way of working on term paper»
- contents of the lecture»
- Perhaps some more advice on how to organize work during the lab series (practical things, like file storage routines, script files and so on). Maybe a lecture with handout material half-way through the labs so that you have made your mistakes but still have an opportunity to change them.»
- It is easily observed that the number of attendants to the term paper presentations decrease with each passing week, eventually only people who must be there and plus 1 or 2 students come to classes. It would be better if this could be improved for both the listeners and the presenters sake. I would have offered to mix the course lectures with the presentations if the number of students were sufficient so that the presentations will again start at the same time giving everyone a fair start to their topics. Also even though I do not like it, there could some kind of a quiz or a small exam that can be added as a bonus (or not) to the term paper grade, which is based on the presentation topics.»
- The grading. Grading of the Lab part looked unreasonable for me. I spent a lot of time on the code, then didn"t get a positive feedback on that. Still don"t know what went wrong according to the feedback then grading on that was fixed.»
- I am not sure.»
- I think if student have some chances to correct their lab report and term paper it would help them to improve themselves. »
- hmmmm, I think some of the lectures are too long. It may be a good idea to peel some time off of them and add it to other practical things.»
- The grading system of Lab part should be defined clearly that what the teachers are expecting from the students for higher grades and what is the marks distribution with in the Lab part i.e 60%.We had no idea about that and we where thinking that only the Lab report will be graded, but we later found that the code has also some marks etc.»

25. Additional comments

- without placing any blame, i was not able to concentrate on all the aspects of the coursework like lab,term paper and presentation, though each component helped me learn a lot of new things, technically and otherwise.»
- Great course! Learned a lot from it. The termpaper gave a chance to do deep-study on a subject of our choice.»
- Thanks for the course.»
- The system of grading was unclear. It"s not fair to work on something when there is no idea on what you will earn!!!»
- The lectures covered a wide range of topics. but each of them are too general for me to understand how they are actually connected to our labwork. I found it difficult to understand the content through the slide, because I don"t have enough related background. I was expecting more simple or practical examples on some work flow details. For example the guest lecture from ATMEL was really intereting, that is easier for me to understand about the workflow.»
- Thanks Tung for your helping and your nice smile!»
- none!»

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