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MPDSD Systemic Design ARK176 vt 09

Status: Avslutad
Öppen för svar: 2009-03-13 - 2009-05-08
Antal svar: 22
Procent av deltagarna som svarat: 51%
Kontaktperson: Jaan-Henrik Kain»
Utbildningsprogram som genomför enkäten: Chalmers


Goals and fullfilment of goals

The learning outcomes are given in the course programme, that is the knowledge, understanding, skills and perspectives you are expectd to reach. Notify for each outcome how well they have been fulfilled.

1. Learning outcome 1

After completion of this course, the student should be able to: Explain systems thinking and its relevance for design, architecture and planning.

22 svarande

Very insufficient»2 10%
Insufficient»1 5%
Sufficient»12 60%
Excellent»5 25%
No opinion»2

Genomsnitt: 3

- We didn"t get any concrete example or course about using system thinking in architecture, design and planning except one lecture about kitchens"systems. And even in this case it was more descriptive than functional.» (Very insufficient)
- I use it much in the Reality studio research.» (Excellent)
- I don"t think I m able to explain a system thinking because I m not sure of what is a good system and what is not. We didn"t see during the different lectures bad examples of mind mapping for example. » (No opinion)

2. Learning outcome 2

After completion of this course, the student should be able to: Select systems thinking approaches that are relevant for a specific design, architecture or planning task.

22 svarande

Very insufficient»4 19%
Insufficient»3 14%
Sufficient»13 61%
Excellent»1 4%
No opinion»1

Genomsnitt: 2.52

- What are the different systems thinking approaches in architecture, design and planning? Appart from mindmapping, system representation (boundaries,inputs, outputs...) I didn"t really get any tools or techniques to apply in different cases.» (Very insufficient)

3. Learning outcome 3

After completion of this course, the student should be able to: Gather appropriate knowledge input to make use of these approaches.

22 svarande

Very insufficient»2 10%
Insufficient»5 25%
Sufficient»11 55%
Excellent»2 10%
No opinion»2

Genomsnitt: 2.65

- see answer above» (No opinion)

4. Learning outcome 4

After completion of this course, the student should be able to: Analyze and synthesize this knowledge by employing systems thinking, i.e., by combining and integrating different systems approaches.

21 svarande

Very insufficient»3 15%
Insufficient»3 15%
Sufficient»10 52%
Excellent»3 15%
No opinion»2

Genomsnitt: 2.68

- Hard to learn to integrate and use different system thinking in sucha a short time of experience. But, that has nothing to do with the course, more the actual time frame. » (Insufficient)

5. Learning outcome 5a

After completion of this course, the student should be able to: Translate such analysis and synthesis into a draft design proposal, using systems thinking as language of communication (assignment 1).

21 svarande

No opinion»0 0%
Very insufficient»2 9%
Insufficient»2 9%
Sufficient»16 76%
Excellent»1 4%

Genomsnitt: 3.76

- As I am not clear on what is system thinkingI am not convinced that system is the best language of communication, all the more in the very concrete tasks of this specific assignment.» (Very insufficient)

6. Learning outcome 5b

After completion of this course, the student should be able to: Translate such analysis and synthesis into a more complex design program (assignment 2).

21 svarande

No opinion»1 4%
Very insufficient»4 19%
Insufficient»2 9%
Sufficient»12 57%
Excellent»2 9%

Genomsnitt: 3.47

- To me, system thinking has been of absolutely no help for writing the program. According to me, being on the site and experimenting its specificities is more relevant to write a program than to draw abstract and standard schemes.» (Very insufficient)

7. Are the aims and goals reasonable in relation to your pre-knowledge ?

21 svarande

No, the goals are to elementar»2 11%
Yes, the goals are reasonable»10 58%
No, the goals are too ambitious»5 29%
No opinion»4

Genomsnitt: 2.17

8. Are the goals reasonable in relation to the scope and amount of credits?

21 svarande

Too small scope in relation to credits»1 5%
Reasonable scope in relation to credits»10 52%
Too wide scope in relation to credits»8 42%
No opinion»2

Genomsnitt: 2.36

- Being in a master program is not about winning credits, it"s about LEARNING! When a student is lost, doesn"t understand an assignement and its goals, and asks for help to his teacher, the answer should not be: "do what I ask otherwise you won"t get your credits". The teacher"s main task is to TEACH, to PASS KNOWLEDGE, to INSPIRE students and to try to help them understand the subject.» (No opinion)

9. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 1 - A road map to systems thinking. Jaan-Henrik Kain –, Architecture

20 svarande

No opinion»3 15%
Not at all»0 0%
To some extent»9 45%
Quite well»6 30%
Excellently»2 10%

Genomsnitt: 3.2

- Good overview and introduction to systems but not of any help for the assignments.» (To some extent)
- I was not present in this lecture but red the artical wich was making the things clear step by step. And was a nice introduction of a whole new aspect to approach architecture. » (Quite well)

10. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 2 - Systems analysis, risk analysis. Krystyna Pietrzyk –, Architecture.

21 svarande

No opinion»4 19%
Not at all»2 9%
To some extent»7 33%
Quite well»8 38%
Excellently»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.9

- Interesting and complete. But these systems are systems on already existing things and situations that don"t help us using systems thinking in the design part of a project.» (Quite well)
- The text that went allong with the lecture was verry revealing.» (Quite well)

11. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 3/4 - Ecological systems, Mass Flow Analysis MFA/ Life Cycle Analysis LCA.
Ulrika Palme –, Environmental Systems Analysis.

21 svarande

No opinion»3 14%
Not at all»0 0%
To some extent»5 23%
Quite well»9 42%
Excellently»4 19%

Genomsnitt: 3.52

- The lecture was great but absolutely not related to what we are studying!» (To some extent)
- The ecological systems were a nice example of system thinking in general. It made you think about systems in general. About LCA and MFA , it was verry usefull in terms of sustanability.» (Quite well)

12. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 5/6 - Systems analysis within sociology. Freddy Castro –, Dept of Sociology

21 svarande

No opinion»5 23%
Not at all»6 28%
To some extent»4 19%
Quite well»3 14%
Excellently»3 14%

Genomsnitt: 2.66

- This lecture gave me an excellent , new thoughts about system thinking , and analysing peoples behaviour. Really impressive.» (Excellently)

13. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 7 - Important system issues for design and analysis of industrial process energy systems. Simon Harvey –, Heat and Power Technology.

21 svarande

No opinion»3 14%
Not at all»3 14%
To some extent»9 42%
Quite well»4 19%
Excellently»2 9%

Genomsnitt: 2.95

- The systems of these lecture were very relevant because they were clearly defined by tools and rules. This is what I felt was missing to systems in relation with architecture design and planning.» (To some extent)

14. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 8 - Economics and environmental issues seen from an integrative systems analysis perspective. Anders Ekbom –, Dept of Economics

19 svarande

No opinion»3 15%
Not at all»1 5%
To some extent»4 21%
Quite well»10 52%
Excellently»1 5%

Genomsnitt: 3.26

- inspiring lecture! M. Ekbom was very reactive to our questions and gave us good input.» (Quite well)

15. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 9 –, The building as system Krystyna Pietrzyk –, Architecture

21 svarande

No opinion»3 14%
Not at all»1 4%
To some extent»8 38%
Quite well»8 38%
Excellently»1 4%

Genomsnitt: 3.14

16. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 10 - Systems of systems. Jaan-Henrik Kain –, Architecture.

21 svarande

No opinion»4 19%
Not at all»2 9%
To some extent»9 42%
Quite well»5 23%
Excellently»1 4%

Genomsnitt: 2.85

- Too many themes disconnected to each other and no structure in this lecture. However, some schemes about actors were very interesting.» (To some extent)

17. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 11 - Complex systems. Kristian Lindgren –, Physical Resource Theory

21 svarande

No opinion»4 19%
Not at all»2 9%
To some extent»7 33%
Quite well»6 28%
Excellently»2 9%

Genomsnitt: 3

- interesting but absolutely no link to our task!» (Not at all)

18. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 12 –, Design processes as systems. Jaan-Henrik Kain –,

21 svarande

No opinion»4 19%
Not at all»3 14%
To some extent»7 33%
Quite well»7 33%
Excellently»0 0%

Genomsnitt: 2.8

- it was very much like hearing the two previous lectures, by Kain, all over again» (To some extent)

19. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 13 –, Market places as systems. Maria Nyström –, Architecture

21 svarande

No opinion»3 14%
Not at all»1 4%
To some extent»5 23%
Quite well»11 52%
Excellently»1 4%

Genomsnitt: 3.28

- this lecture was the most related one to our task! However, we already had this lecture in september during the course sustainable dvt and the design professions.» (Quite well)

20. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 14 –, Ordering chaos. Agnes Mwaiselage. Embassy of Tanzania in Stockholm.

21 svarande

No opinion»5 23%
Not at all»3 14%
To some extent»4 19%
Quite well»6 28%
Excellently»3 14%

Genomsnitt: 2.95

21. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 15 –, Architecture Conservation and the Systems Approach. Inger-Lise Syversen Architecture

21 svarande

No opinion»6 28%
Not at all»0 0%
To some extent»5 23%
Quite well»7 33%
Excellently»3 14%

Genomsnitt: 3.04

22. Lectures. To what extent did the lectures contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

Lecture 16 –,,,Systems thinking and architectural design. Marcus von Euler –,,, architect, researcher.

21 svarande

No opinion»3 14%
Not at all»2 9%
To some extent»3 14%
Quite well»8 38%
Excellently»5 23%

Genomsnitt: 3.47

- To basic to be so late in the course» (Not at all)
- beautiful to look at but no input!» (Not at all)
- One of the best lectures is not included in this list and is the last lecture we had on programming and urban planning.» (Quite well)


Education and course administration

23. What support have you got for your learning from course literature and other material?

21 svarande

Very little»0 0%
Rather little»3 16%
Rather big»9 50%
Very big»6 33%
No opinion»3

Genomsnitt: 3.16

- too much theory and nothing concrete!» (Rather little)
- The text seemed relevant and gave a borader view and more time to think about what we"ve learned. » (Very big)

24. Literature seminar. To what extent did the literature seminar contribute to the learning outcomes and as support for solving the assignments?

21 svarande

No opinion»3 14%
Not at all»4 19%
To some extent»3 14%
Quite well»5 23%
Excellently»6 28%

Genomsnitt: 3.33

- The seminar was great, Allways good to discuss complex thoughts, to clear them out. Maybe though all should have delivered some text/summary becouse not everyone had read or at least skimmed through all texts... But, again, maybe it"s jut pity for themselves ,)» (Excellently)
- to check if you are at the wright track , to define by our self systemic design was realy important their» (Excellently)

25. How did the organisation, memoranda, direct information etc. function?

21 svarande

Very bad»0 0%
Rather bad»3 17%
Rather well»10 58%
Very well»4 23%
No opinion»4

Genomsnitt: 3.05

- good communication, but 100% demand on presence???» (Rather well)

26. Assignments. To what extent did Assignment 1 contribute to the learning outcomes?

20 svarande

No opinion»2 10%
Not at all»1 5%
To some extent»7 35%
Quite well»9 45%
Excellently»1 5%

Genomsnitt: 3.3

- We didn"t get any feedback and correction of our work! I feel so frustrated!» (Not at all)
- More frustrating than anything, but it helped to emphasize that there is a HUGE gap between theory and application.» (To some extent)
- I learned more with the first assignment than the second one. But each time the subject is too vague. We don t have enough precisions of what need to be done. We don"t have limits in our work and ambitious demands from the teachers. I think we are too free. The system thinking is a large subject and really complex, I think it should focus more on real concrete architecture and not only on social aspects.» (To some extent)
- We formed a great group, mostly regarding discussions rather than production - A good goal I think.» (Quite well)

27. Assignments. To what extent did Assignment 2 contribute to the learning outcomes?

21 svarande

No opinion»1 4%
Not at all»3 14%
To some extent»8 38%
Quite well»7 33%
Excellently»2 9%

Genomsnitt: 3.28

- Learned less about systems, but appreciated the learning about program writing and in particular the focus on environmental programming and the challenge to integrate the two.» (To some extent)
- Tended to look more like a pre study/mapping production than actually systemic.. Architecture students may sometimes be too nervous for what the teachers might think of their presentation/layout etc.. To afraid to think and just let things flow.» (To some extent)


Work environment

28. How do you rate the possibilities to get assistance and ask questions?

21 svarande

Very bad»2 9%
Rather bad»1 4%
Rather well»9 42%
Very well»6 28%
I have not asked for assistance»3 14%

Genomsnitt: 3.33

- It is easy and possible and possible to ask questions! Getting a relevant answer is not as easy!!!» (Very bad)
- but a rather large fussyness about how to do the tasks» (Rather well)
- Good and exact schedules etc. » (Very well)

29. How has the cooperation between you and students in your group been?

22 svarande

Very bad»1 4%
Rather bad»0 0%
Rather good»7 31%
Very good»13 59%
I have not tried to cooperate»1 4%

Genomsnitt: 3.59

- If some people could respect their engagement, the workf of group, and not go to spain, Russia, Ski , France or any where while the others stay to work, that could be nice, But that is also the reponsability of the teatchers to punish some students !!!!» (Very bad)


Concluding questions

30. What is your overall opinion of the course?

22 svarande

Very bad»1 4%
Bad»2 9%
Passed»10 45%
Good»6 27%
Very good»3 13%

Genomsnitt: 3.36

- the rpoblem and solution were always presented hand-in-hand. this is a rather unique scheme for nay courses attended by me so far. the fact that systems thinking was a tool, to act as a bridge between the problem and solution was not emphasized. neither the method was defined or outlined properly.» (Bad)
- The topic is good, project assignments and repetative lectures are the weakest aspects.» (Passed)
- I think that the course has a great value that maybe hasn’,t really come through. From implementing systemic thinking to a more practical level, maybe it would be different on the Africa track, but I feel that the assignments has been more of an obstacle than an way to gather systemic knowledge. The text part and the seminars were good, all the lectures from different disciplines as well. Interesting to see how people use the same kind of tool. But the assignments is something I suggest that you overview until next year. » (Passed)
- good and interesting subject but rather boring lectures» (Passed)
- One of the most challenging and interesting coures I"ve had. Lateral thinking and thinking of thinking really develop one"s mind.» (Very good)

31. What should be preserved next year?

- Some good lectures should be kept. »
- critical rethinking on course design and possible learning outcomes is required.unfortunately, nothing should be preserved»
- The literature seminar could be given more time and perhaps with that, more time for reading and self-reflection.»
- Some lectures abord many different themes that"s good, some assistant are really interesting,»
- assignments in two stages»
- the point of structuring the design process and the project is interesting and useful»
- Most of the course because I think the course is very good.»
- all. Superb with such an amount of lectures from so many diffrent angles!»
- group works»
- Letting students know that there is another way of thinking about creating architecture and it"s process.»
- the last assigment , the brief and the examples»

32. What should be changed the nest year?

- Some lectures took a lot of time (for the 1st assignment) on our working time. At the contrary for the second one, we had too much time. And i think that a group visit on the site should be done because we can not talk about architecture without seeing the site.»
- the lectures (have some lectures in relation with architecture, planning and design), the assignements (more defined and precised, have some goals), the teachers motivation to pass knowledge to their students and their involvment in the course.»
- the number of lectures have to be reduced, and also the relevance of the lecturers with the topic at hand has to be established and explained before hand to the lecturer invited. relevant examples, having some iota of resemblance to the task given to students, would go a long way in motivating and inspiring students to be able to understand and utilize the "systems thinking" in their lives as researchers or practitioners. »
- The tutorial session were not always helping in the right direction and soemtimes contradictory.»
- Many lectures are the same, exactly the same or thoings that we have already seen, loos of time»
- -the lectures were in the wrong order, should have done the basic system thinking first. -the first assignment were an arctitectual one, which makes it harder for an industrial designer. -the first assignment were all too complex, which makes the project unrealistic and uninspiring»
- it could be made VERY much more conceptual and architectural, whereas now it felt quite "grey" and uninspiring. maybe you could include an artist or conceptual architect and his/her use of the subject?»
- Maybe the amount of lectures should be little bit less so instead it would be possible to focuse lite more in some issues.»
- But maybe not such a loose connection to the other mastercourse - Either MORE connected, or another task to be solved. People seemed to loose track of it all - "is it the next course we do right now or should we still think in systems??" Integragtion didn"t work that well..»
- the obligatority to follow 100% of the lectures»
- It takes a while to get into the systems thinking. So maybe a small, informal workshop in the beginning can give more claerity to the aim of the course.»
- first theorie and than the assigments»

33. Other comments

- My opinion is passed +»
- consultations should be more direct in suggestions and critics»
- At the end it was verry revealling. I learned a lot about how my normal procedure of thinking works and wich different approaches you can make.»


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