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Structural systems, VBB122 2008

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1. How many hours per week did you spend on this course?

39 svarande

At most 15 hours/week»		0		0%
Around 20 hours/week»		15		38%
Around 25 hours/week»		14		35%
Around 30 hours/week»		8		20%
At least 35 hours/week»		2		5%

Genomsnitt: 2.92

- The group assignment took alot of time, but maybe didnt give so much back in knowledge.» (Around 20 hours/week)
- Very hard to estimate, i bit less than half of the entire time for both courses.» (Around 20 hours/week)
- very asymetric distribution of the load of work in this course!» (Around 20 hours/week)
- Mycket tid som gick åt till sådant som inte resulterat i något material. "Vankande fram och tillbaka"» (Around 25 hours/week)

2. How large part of the teaching offered did you attend?

39 svarande

0%»		0		0%
25%»		1		2%
50%»		5		12%
75%»		20		51%
100%»		13		33%

Genomsnitt: 4.15

- between 75% and 100%.» (75%)

Goals and goal fulfilment

3. To what extent have you reached the following goal?

39 svarande

0-20%»		0		0%
20-40%»		1		2%
40-60%»		10		25%
60-80%»		18		46%
80-100%»		10		25%

Genomsnitt: 3.94

- The course provides a proper knowledge of conceptual design process,however, The course should provide more knowledge of common details and construction methods in Sweden for foreign students,since these things differ from country to country, and International students were a little bit confused about this fact.» (40-60%)
- Less for maintenance and demolishing than for the rest.» (60-80%)

4. To what extent have you reached the following goal?

39 svarande

0-20%»		0		0%
20-40%»		2		5%
40-60%»		8		20%
60-80%»		17		43%
80-100%»		12		30%

Genomsnitt: 4

- Maybe a little more on efficient use of resources could be useful» (60-80%)

5. To what extent have you reached the following goal?

39 svarande

0-20%»		0		0%
20-40%»		1		2%
40-60%»		11		28%
60-80%»		14		35%
80-100%»		13		33%

Genomsnitt: 4

- Almost no in-door comfort at all. We only got information about general types of structural systems, almost no information about which kind of system that are common for different kinds of buildings. For instance, what differs an office building from an industrial building in material selections and loads etcetera.» (40-60%)
- Climate protection and in-door comfort not that high. Know since previous courses.» (60-80%)
- I don"t think we talked a lot about systems for climate protection and in-door comfort.» (80-100%)

6. To what extent have you reached the following goal?

38 svarande

0-20%»		1		2%
20-40%»		1		2%
40-60%»		6		15%
60-80%»		16		42%
80-100%»		14		36%

Genomsnitt: 4.07

- Have learnet the systematic approach, but definitely not how to take risk analysys and service life considerations into account in a good way. I miss information how to deal with this in a more practical way, like in the group assignment.» (40-60%)
- I don"t belive the approach we learned were of much use for us in the project. The idea with the matrixes and grading criterions was just time consuming and gave no better solution for a final alternative then a simple discussion would have. The reason: We don"t have enough experience!!! EVERY GROUP just mixed with the grading numbers until they got a result they wanted, and it was the same in the bachelors work last year. The grading wasn"t based on knowledge, it was based on nothing. That is called just guessing and to what use is that?» (80-100%)

7. To what extent have you reached the following goal?

39 svarande

0-20%»		0		0%
20-40%»		1		2%
40-60%»		7		17%
60-80%»		18		46%
80-100%»		13		33%

Genomsnitt: 4.1

- There were not enough lectures regarding load transfer within the different structural systems, maybe it is possible to emphasize more and more on this essential criterion, at least for a structural engineer.» (40-60%)
- Need for movements, I dont know about well.» (60-80%)
- Good lectures, good knowledge.» (80-100%)

8. To what extent have you reached the following goal?

39 svarande

0-20%»		0		0%
20-40%»		2		5%
40-60%»		7		17%
60-80%»		13		33%
80-100%»		17		43%

Genomsnitt: 4.15

- If the loading of a structure is not more important than conceptual design and analyzing the risks, it has equal importance with them, so I think dedicating only one week to loading and load combination is not enough for a structural engineer. It shows itself more when you think about International students who has different methods for loading in their own countries, and one week is a short time to adapt this new system.» (40-60%)
- I know the basics and how it"s done. But not in the way presented during this course. I found the distributed material for the dugga hard to understand. The exercises were made by 10 different people, all of them making it in different ways. » (40-60%)
- Nice with a dugga. Maybe easiest part to deal with from the teachers point of view. » (80-100%)
- Good lectures, good knowledge.» (80-100%)

9. To what extent have you reached the following goal?

39 svarande

0-20%»		0		0%
20-40%»		2		5%
40-60%»		6		15%
60-80%»		19		48%
80-100%»		12		30%

Genomsnitt: 4.05

- No information about differences about different kind of buildings.» (40-60%)
- Would be nice to do a preliminary sizing of timber, steel and concrete. Not only on the winning alternative in the project. » (60-80%)
- Repetition from earlier courses..» (80-100%)

10. How understandable are the course goals?

I have not seen/read the goals»		0		0%
The goals are difficult to understand»		2		5%
The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer»		15		38%
The goals clearly describe what I am supposed to learn»		22		56%

Genomsnitt: 3.51

- I think it"s hard do estimate to what extent I have reached the goals. Yes, I can for example describe the mechanical behaviour of structural systems, but the question is how good? And compared to what? What references should you use when evaluation the goals?» (The goals give some guidance, but could be clearer)

11. Are the goals reasonable considering your background and the number of credits?

39 svarande

No, the goals are set too low»		2		5%
Yes, the goals seem reasonable»		32		82%
No, the goals are set too high»		5		12%

Genomsnitt: 2.07

- For example I think "including analysis of risks and uncertainties and service life considerations." is to high goal» (No, the goals are set too high)

12. Did the examination assess whether you have reached the goals?

38 svarande

No, not at all»		3		7%
To some extent»		21		55%
Yes, definitely»		13		34%
I don"t know/have not been examined yet»		1		2%

Genomsnitt: 2.31

- The grade is more important for International students, however, some students do not very care about the grades, so in some cases they are not enough motivated to improve the quality of the project and they are satisfied by passing the course. There fore, maybe it is better to dedicate more proportion to written exam rather than the projects for individuals who want to get better grades.» (?)
- Repititive assigments and home works will be a good option» (No, not at all)
- I think there where to litle work with the so called dugga. And I think it should be called exam-part1 instead!» (No, not at all)
- Strucural assessment are not dealt with in project work for example. The slideshow with notes don´,t give the total picture of the work done I think.» (To some extent)
- I believe that a "real report" would be good to hand in instead of the "power point report". I think that our work could be described better and it would also show the extend of our efffort in a better way» (To some extent)
- Dugga: Yes Project Work: No» (To some extent)
- Much of the content of the course is not covered in the examination. It"s very hard to cover all goals fully in this kind of examination. This is also why many students have choosen not to attend to many lectures, there is no examination that covers some of the content.» (To some extent)
- The project work was a bit tricky, since some groups had to do the architectural design to. Since then, the work took a lot of more time for some groups.» (To some extent)
- Having an oral presentation doesn"t show anything about how the individuals in the group have reached the goals. There are always people who dosen"t contribute as much as they should to the project, and it sucks that people like that are able to get good grades because of someone else compensating for there lack of devotion. » (To some extent)
- It felt a bit difficult to show everything you have learned at the same time as making a good oral presentation. Perhaps a small written report would be better than notes on the slide show with regard to this.» (To some extent)
- You can not tell if everyone in the project groups have reached the goals, but I don"t see it as a problem. It"s up to each individual» (Yes, definitely)

Teaching and course administration

13. To what extent has the teaching been of help for your learning?

Small extent»		0		0%
Some extent»		14		35%
Large extent»		18		46%
Great extent»		7		17%

Genomsnitt: 2.82

- To general help, more individual consultation would be good» (Some extent)
- How to do prelimany sizing was good, hands on dealt with. We had no book!» (Large extent)
- The teaching has been great. I really enjoyed the guest lectureres as well. » (Great extent)

14. To what extent has the contact with your external supervisor been of help for your learing?

Small extent»		3		7%
Some extent»		16		41%
Large extent»		12		30%
Great extent»		8		20%

Genomsnitt: 2.64

- Could have been of better use» (Some extent)
- I liked it to have a supervisor to ask questions and to get to come out and see how they work, but I can"t say that it helped us to a large extent though. » (Some extent)
- We didn"t get much help from our supervisor. He seemed afraid of giving us to much information which led to him not telling anything.» (Some extent)
- Could have been furthered developed. I got the idea that the supervisors didn"t fully understand what was our task. » (Large extent)
- Good to meet the company» (Great extent)
- I have learn more practilcal things in detail. I feel better prepared for my working life.» (Great extent)

15. To what extent has the course material and links on the course home page been of help for your learning?

Small extent»		3		7%
Some extent»		12		30%
Large extent»		16		41%
Great extent»		8		20%

Genomsnitt: 2.74

- I didn´,t know about the links on the course homepage.» (Small extent)
- Explanations of different materials and structural systems, very good» (Large extent)
- There is a lack of English information through the links, and sometimes it is hard to find some standards which are needed in the project, and they are in Swedish only. » (Large extent)

16. How well did the course administration, web page, handouts etc work?

Very badly»		0		0%
Rather badly»		1		2%
Rather well»		15		39%
Very well»		22		57%

Genomsnitt: 3.55

- Would be easier to prepare and actually learn from the lectures if the notes are put up in beforehand, at least 1 day in advance. » (?)
- Everything out in time, extensive material» (Very well)
- Very good information, and no problem to understand what we were expected to do.» (Very well)

Study climate

17. How were the opportunities for asking questions and getting help from your external supervisor?

Very poor»		0		0%
Rather poor»		3		7%
Rather good»		12		30%
Very good»		22		56%
I did not seek help»		2		5%

Genomsnitt: 3.58

- We had the opportunity to ask questions but it didn"t help us much because he was to restrained.» (Rather poor)
- Easy to find suitable meeting time, fast respons on e-mail» (Very good)
- Not more than the meetings» (I did not seek help)
- We had very little contact with the supervisor between the meetings. But the meetings were good.» (I did not seek help)

18. How were the opportunities for asking questions and getting help from the teachers?

Very poor»		0		0%
Rahter poor»		2		5%
Rather good»		13		33%
Very good»		23		58%
I did not seek help»		1		2%

Genomsnitt: 3.58

- I tried to get help from two teachers but were quite unhappy afterwards when it didn"t seem that they wanted to help. If they were busy maybe it"s better to say so and ask to return. » (Rahter poor)
- Not always time to answer questions, maybe specified consultant time is a good solution» (Rather good)

19. How well has cooperation between you and your fellow students worked in the project team?

Very poorly»		0		0%
Rather poorly»		5		12%
Rather well»		22		56%
Very well»		12		30%
I did not seek cooperation»		0		0%

Genomsnitt: 3.17

- Very poor leadership from the self-assessed leader.» (Rather poorly)
- It was difficult since we have different backgrounds and experiences. » (Rather poorly)
- Hard in the beginning, but the problems were solved during the course» (Rather well)
- It was a good cooperation between 4 of us. One didn"t contribute with much.» (Rather well)

20. How much of your available time for studies in this study period did you spend on this course?

39 svarande

less than 20%»		0		0%
20-40%»		7		17%
about 50%»		15		38%
60-80%»		16		41%
more than 80%»		1		2%

Genomsnitt: 3.28

- The project work took a lot of time from material performance lectures» (60-80%)
- I didnt attend Material Performance, I attended Applied Manufacturing Technology instead» (60-80%)

21. How was the course workload?

Too low»		0		0%
Low»		2		5%
Adequate»		23		58%
High»		11		28%
Too high»		3		7%

Genomsnitt: 3.38

- but not uniformed distributed» (Adequate)
- Some parts in the beginning of the project took pretty long time and it was hard to find a limit on how much we where supposed to do. » (High)
- The project took a lot of time.» (High)
- Very high at the end, but that"s due to bad planning» (Too high)

22. How was the total workload this study period?

Too low»		0		0%
Low»		0		0%
Adequate»		15		38%
High»		17		43%
Too high»		7		17%

Genomsnitt: 3.79

- but not uniformed distributed» (Adequate)
- Over the whole period adequate. Over the three last weeks: too high. Mostly due to a high concentration of labs, assignments, study trips, projects... Some of theese could be earlier in the period.» (Adequate)
- Mostly depending on too many parts that had to be finnished at the same time in Material Performance» (High)
- Thanks to the MP-course» (Too high)
- Much compulsary hand-ins, time wasn"t enough» (Too high)
- The workload was high mainly because MP was a complete mess, which i think increased the stress level for the students.» (Too high)

23. To what extent were there connections between the two courses in this study period?

Very small extent»		2		5%
Rather small extent»		15		41%
Rather high extent»		18		50%
Very high extent»		1		2%

Genomsnitt: 2.5

- I think it was intended to have some kind of connection, but the project work in MP didn"t influence the work in SS at all. The project in MP could have been done on any building.» (Rather small extent)
- Maybe the last two lessons of Material Performance it was connected to Structural Systems.» (Rather small extent)
- Mostly the project work» (Rather high extent)

Summarizing questions

24. What is your general impression of the course?

Poor»		0		0%
Fair»		4		10%
Adequate»		7		17%
Good»		23		58%
Excellent»		5		12%

Genomsnitt: 3.74

- The biggest problem is that it is very undefined what you should do. That is ok if you have time and a good cooperation in the group. Now we have short time and many new students. My advice: Take away the most undefined tasks in the projet work and define more clearly what should be done in the remaining parts.» (Fair)
- Not a structural engineer, more connection to the building performance design track would be appreaciated» (Fair)
- Some was repetition, some parts felt unuseful as explained above, and anyone could pass, even those who didn"t do shit. I don"t know why you have chosen this approach for the course with the group work. There must be some general idea of which structural systmens that are best suited for specific situations. TEACH US THAT INSTEAD OF US JUST GUESSING!» (Fair)
- The course content was good but the outcome of the project work affects my attitude greatly to the negative.» (Adequate)
- A understood that one part of the course was to learn how to approach an open problem. But sometimes it just got to defusing and you just didn"t do anything because you didn"t know the limits.» (Adequate)

25. What is the remaining value of the course in the future

Very small»		0		0%
Rather small»		8		21%
Rahter high»		25		65%
Very high»		5		13%

Genomsnitt: 2.92

- We haven´,t looked on a hole structure before, but I think it could hav been done in a better way.» (Rather small)
- Some understanding of structural systems, but nothing on the building performance design part of the program» (Rather small)

26. What should definitely be preserved to next year?

27. What should definitely be changed to next year?

28. Additional comments